Crashbug XYZ rulings

Due to TCG rulings changing to OCG rulings, this question is easily answered as a no. You cannot use then effect of Crashbug monsters while you have another Crashbug as an XYZ material because they are no longer considered on the field.

The monsters are not considered to be "monsters" anymore and are simply "on the field" overlayed with the XYZs monster
So unfortuneately, no, you would not be able to swarm the field

Are you sure? Cause it doesnt say it has to be a monster...

to "control" a card specifically for a monster, is to have it be on the field. in its monster form.

(Edit) Excuse me, controlling the card is controlling it whether its a an XYZ material or not (TCG ONLY)
They do not have names while an XYZ material. they are considered to be on the field(TCG ONLY) and "technically" until further notice, cards you control.

I want a second opinion, no offense.

He is most correct. Though they are treated on as on the field they are kinda just there and have no name, effect and so on.

Also they're not technically face up on the field anyway, being layered under the Xyz, so it wouldn't work because of that.

VayneQ wrote:to "control" a card specifically for a monster, is to have it be on the field. in its monster form.

(Edit) Excuse me, controlling the card is controlling it whether its a an XYZ material or not (TCG ONLY)
They do not have names while an XYZ material. they are considered to be on the field(TCG ONLY) and "technically" until further notice, cards you control.

May I ask you are you 100% sure that Materials don't have names? And where did you get your info from?

Badass_Bunny wrote:

VayneQ wrote:to "control" a card specifically for a monster, is to have it be on the field. in its monster form.

(Edit) Excuse me, controlling the card is controlling it whether its a an XYZ material or not (TCG ONLY)
They do not have names while an XYZ material. they are considered to be on the field(TCG ONLY) and "technically" until further notice, cards you control.

May I ask you are you 100% sure that Materials don't have names? And where did you get your info from?

Are you saying that they might still get the effects Bunny?

Even I find it wayyy hard to believe that Overlay Units would get their effects while on the field. Why is this so hard to understand? This is like the same argument when monsters first started being placed into the backrow. Overlay Units pretty much follow the same ideal, the only difference is that they're not in the backrow anymore.


If anything, Xyz's create their own backrow.

No no, Xyz Materials loose all of their On Field effects, they no longer have attribute or type, However I'm not sure about their names

As such is the way with the OCG
however, this all came about due to a card in Photon Shockwave with the text that LITERALLY translated to "Remove one XYZ's material monster on the field"

You can find it on the spoiler list. that's what caused this whole mess in the first place. because of that card, it basically said that they do in fact exist on the field, albeit as material's

As for where I get my information, well whenever Tewart decides to be direct, I get it from him directly, though he hates getting asked what to him must be otherwise obvious answers.

CURRENTLY they are treated as being on the field and that you technically "control" them.
THIS IS UNDER REVIEW.
Until There is a public listing and publishing of the actual rules ON THE WEBSITE, the XYZ's rulings are on the FB group Adjudication. Conflageration.

I'm pretty sure it's not considered to be face-up on the field if it's an Xyz material.

it is definitly considered to be face up on the field. Else Tengu wouldn't get its effect when detached.

I'm guessing you guys will have to get tag force 6 and try this out. Automatic system ftw

that has no use, such video games usually come with ocg rulings and there that xyz thing is totally different from tcg

I know on the field... thats not the question. The question is "Does Crashbug ? get its effect if Crashbug ? is as an XYZ material?"

We don't know!

There has been no statement on weather do Xyz Materials keep their names

dest wrote:it is definitly considered to be face up on the field. Else Tengu wouldn't get its effect when detached.

Tengu gets his effect when he is Xyz'd WITH. NOT when he is detached.

Also, they are not considered to be face up on the field just "on the field"

KingGainer wrote:Even I find it wayyy hard to believe that Overlay Units would get their effects while on the field. Why is this so hard to understand? This is like the same argument when monsters first started being placed into the backrow. Overlay Units pretty much follow the same ideal, the only difference is that they're not in the backrow anymore.


If anything, Xyz's create their own backrow.

Quoted for Truth from Yugi-Bear.

XYZ's make their own "Back row"
That stay with them even if the XYZ is flipped face down.

When the XYZ leave the field, by any means. The materials are sent to the graveyard

VayneQ wrote:

dest wrote:it is definitly considered to be face up on the field. Else Tengu wouldn't get its effect when detached.

Tengu gets his effect when he is Xyz'd WITH. NOT when he is detached.

Also, they are not considered to be face up on the field just "on the field"

No Tengu doesn't get it's effect when he's Xyz'd he gets his effect when he is removed from the field, and that means when he is detached. That is TCG ruling.

OCG ruling wouldn't activate Tengu at all...

Badass_Bunny wrote:

VayneQ wrote:

dest wrote:it is definitly considered to be face up on the field. Else Tengu wouldn't get its effect when detached.

Tengu gets his effect when he is Xyz'd WITH. NOT when he is detached.

Also, they are not considered to be face up on the field just "on the field"

No Tengu doesn't get it's effect when he's Xyz'd he gets his effect when he is removed from the field, and that means when he is detached. That is TCG ruling.

OCG ruling wouldn't activate Tengu at all...

You are Correct, I missed kevin's edit of that post.
I apologize.

Unless I missed somethign this is still being debated on so I am bumping.

My logic on this is that if Crashbug X is summoned, and Crashbug Y is overlaid, Crashbug X wouldn't get its effect.

The reasoning is Crashbug Y is an Xyz material, and we have already confirmed that Xyz materials are not monsters, although they certainly are a type of card, which is an Xyz Material. The case is most likely that Crashbug Y is not called "Crashbug Y" as an Xyz Material, rather, it has no name, or could be called "Xyz Material". You could consider Xyz materials as counters even, and counters are just counters.

Referring to Tewart's prior statements regarding Xyz, and rulings from YEARS ago, I can clearly say this much:

In the TCG, there is no reason that a Crashbug being Xyz Material makes it "not count" for purposes of being controlled while another Crashbug's effect could be activated or resolved.

The Crashbugs ask for you to control "so and so". This NEVER MEANS ANYTHING EXCEPT "card named 'so and so'".

Xyz Materials are cards: you control them: and of course they have names, cards never "don't have names".


No other rules are relevant to this issue. This is essentially the new version of the old "Thousand Knives vs. DM-as-an-Equip-Card" issue from some 6+ years ago.

Thank you atem, assuming your the same Atem from YCM, you are truly a god.

Haven't been *there* in years...

If they are cards on the field (Xyz Materials), then they would be able to be targeted by Rageki Break and such, but they can't.

Shame that your reasoning doesn't hold up TCG-side, which is what DN is forced to go by.

You control Xyz Materials - that's the end of it until the company says otherwise. And no, you still can't target them for things like Raigeki Break.

For goodness' sake, it's been long enough and we've all spent enough time on Xyz issues for me to not have to retread THAT point, Key.

The confusing thing here is, that they are not only considered to be face up on the field but they are also threated like counters (except that they don't vanish if the monster is flipped face down).

The question for now is, if those "counters" still have their original names. That is the point of that "Thousand Knifes" ruling, it only requires a card which name is "Dark Magician" on the field. Even when equipped to a monster, a card don't lose its name.

Now xyz monsters have counters which are called "Xyz Material". Currently nobody knows if those materials keep their names or are just ... materials. Just counters which are called "Xyz Material", that name overwrites everything.

Sure, the reason you state, that the card only requires you to have it face up is strong and right, but equal strong and right is the reason that it just could be a counter without its original name.

Or is there anything against that theory?

Tewart's exact words being "they're like counters" is plenty against it, and the words he used being "they're cards" is plenty too, and the Starter Deck's guide for Xyz is also sufficient.

I'd advise just asking the guy, but the question is so simple that asking might be a waste of both parties' time. If they were counters, they, you know, would actually BE COUNTERS.

Comparing materials to other parts of game is useless they are new part and as such should(and I hope will) get their own set of rulings independent rulings...

Well this is solved... how do I put the "Solved" thing on it?

Pharaoh Atem wrote:Haven't been *there* in years...

They brought up the 3-0 banlist discussion again, lol.

I would assume the place has gotten gradually worse, I wasn't around when you were there x:

Pharaoh Atem wrote:Referring to Tewart's prior statements regarding Xyz, and rulings from YEARS ago, I can clearly say this much:

In the TCG, there is no reason that a Crashbug being Xyz Material makes it "not count" for purposes of being controlled while another Crashbug's effect could be activated or resolved.

The Crashbugs ask for you to control "so and so". This NEVER MEANS ANYTHING EXCEPT "card named 'so and so'".

Xyz Materials are cards: you control them: and of course they have names, cards never "don't have names".


No other rules are relevant to this issue. This is essentially the new version of the old "Thousand Knives vs. DM-as-an-Equip-Card" issue from some 6+ years ago.

Thing is that monster treated as Equip Cards definitely keep their name. And Xyz material monsters don't have anything that would indicate that they keep their name neither do they have anything that indicates they don't. However if they would keep their name the game would be f***ed up beyond recognition

Now that Crashbugs are in TCG we might get an official ruling in the future... but for now Ill point anyone who questions it to Pharoah Atem ^-^

This should be solved.

It is solved.

Crashbugs Don't get their effects, The End.