A/D Changer

**Ибо** 2011-11-28, 19:22

You can remove from play this card in your Graveyard to select 1 monster on the field. Change its battle position.

Does that mean if a face-down monster is targeted, then it flips face-up?

**dest** 2011-11-28, 19:24

sure. There is only 1 card that lets you have a face down attack position monster (forgot the name^^)

Just keep in mind, that doesn't count as flip summon then.

**Phoenix Wright** 2011-11-28, 19:26

dest wrote:sure. There is only 1 card that lets you have a face down attack position monster (forgot the name^^)

Just keep in mind, that doesn't count as flip summon then.

Darkness Approaches

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-28, 20:18

Face-down isn't consider as battle position, Face-down is the position of a card. There's different between battle position and card position.

**kangtuji** 2011-11-28, 20:34

And you cann't use A/D changer effect on your opp turn

**Ибо** 2011-11-29, 06:58

BlackwingRa wrote:Face-down isn't consider as battle position, Face-down is the position of a card. There's different between battle position and card position.

Rly? Battle position = position (in monsters case)

Battle position change:
A "manual" change. This is when you use your once-per-turn Battle position change on a monster, during your Main Phase 1 or 2, to change it from Attack Position to Defense Position or vice versa. A manual change also includes Flip Summons.

Defense Position is a Battle position in which a Monster Card can be either face-up or face-down, in a Horizontal Position.

Face-down Monster Card can only be in horizontal position (Defense Position) unless with the effect of "Darkness Approaches", you can have it in vertical position (Attack Position).

Also, Enemy controller card specify
●Change the Battle Position of 1 face-up monster your opponent controls.
That means face down monster is also a battle position.

Sources:
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Defense_Position
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_position
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_position_changes

And you cann't use A/D changer effect on your opp turn

Proof?

**LuzCeleste** 2011-11-29, 07:02

Yup, if it's facedown defense it flips face-up attack... it's the main strategy behind Morphing Jar control change strategy... It's fairly common I've seen...

**Ultimate lol** 2011-11-29, 07:24

Ибо wrote:
And you cann't use A/D changer effect on your opp turn
Proof?

Wikia: "The effect of "A/D Changer" is an Ignition Effect that you can only activate during your Main Phase.[2]"

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-29, 07:25

Proof is A/D Changer's effect is Ignition Effect, and Ignition Effect can only be activated during the Main Phase of controller's turn(or owner if effects activate off the field), unless the card states that it can be activate outside Main Phase, and exceptions we have until now are "Red-Eyes Wyvern", "Speed Warrior" and "General Gantala of the Ice Barrier".

**Ибо** 2011-11-29, 07:38

Ok, another question I have is:
"Once per turn" effect monsters. Like Blizzard dragon. Can they ability be activated on either players turn if it does not state when cat that ef be activated?
Asking this because Blizzard dragons eff was used by my opponent on my battle phase.

**kangtuji** 2011-11-29, 07:50

Unless it stated it can be used on both turns,
Famous example would be Six Fags - Shi En
No

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-29, 08:27

Ибо wrote:Ok, another question I have is:
"Once per turn" effect monsters. Like Blizzard dragon. Can they ability be activated on either players turn if it does not state when cat that ef be activated?
Asking this because Blizzard dragons eff was used by my opponent on my battle phase.

You were fooled by your opponent. =.=

**Magicknight94** 2011-11-29, 09:31

"Once per turn" has NOTHING to do with "Once per your turn" or "Once per either player's turn".

Effect Type does:

Ignition + "Once per turn" = "Once per your turn".

Quick (like Shi En)/Trigger (like D.D. Survivor)/Continous (like Dark Resonator)+ "Once per turn" = "Once per either player's turn".

**Magicknight94** 2011-11-29, 09:48

Trap Cards and Trap Effects can be actived during either player's turn by default, unless its text say otherwise.

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-11-29, 10:05

Magicknight94 wrote:"Once per turn" has NOTHING to do with "Once per your turn" or "Once per either player's turn".

Effect Type does:

Ignition + "Once per turn" = "Once per your turn".

Quick (like Shi En)/Trigger (like D.D. Survivor)/Continous (like Dark Resonator)+ "Once per turn" = "Once per either player's turn".

Problems is people can't make a difference between Quick/Trigger and Ignition effects.

**Miror B.** 2011-11-29, 14:17

Ибо wrote:Ok, another question I have is:
"Once per turn" effect monsters. Like Blizzard dragon. Can they ability be activated on either players turn if it does not state when cat that ef be activated?
Asking this because Blizzard dragons eff was used by my opponent on my battle phase.

Once per turn does not mean anything in terms of when it can be activated, just how many times it can be activated.

Blizzard Dragon does not specify when it can be activated. Thus it is a Spell Speed 1 Ignition effect that can only be used during your Main Phase.

Cards like Shi En specify that it responds to a card, thus it is a Spell Speed 2 Quick Effect and can be used in a chain during either turn.

Cards like Junk Gardna say it can be activated during either players turn, thus it is a Spell Speed 2 Quick Effect and can be used in a chain during either turn.

Does that clear a few things up?

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