Gandora

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 14:05

Gandora ...

Gandora GandoratheDragonofDestructionCT07-EN-SR-LE

Couple questions:

1. If he gets summoned then removed from the field for a turn, with cards like... Future visions or interdimensional transporter... When he comes back on a later turn, he'd no longer be sent to grave at end? Since it's not the turn he was summoned anymore? Or does him coming back also count as a summon?

2. If there are tokens on the field and they get hit by gandora's eff, they aren't removed from play, but since his effect just says destroyed by this, he'd also get 300 for each token?

3. Assuming #1 works if he is on the field permanently, will he keep all the gained attack permanently as well?

4. Assuming #1 doesn't work, is there any strategy to keep Gandora on the field longer than just 1 turn?

**mido9** 2011-12-24, 14:10

1) Not treated as summoned but as returned to the field,stays on the field.

2) The tokens dissapear and gandora gains attack for them since they were destroyed.

3) Correct if he used his effect again once he rehits the field.

4) #1 works.

**MrChillmatic** 2011-12-24, 14:12

Suppose "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" is removed from play by "Interdimensional Matter Transporter" during the turn in which "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" was Normal Summoned or Flip Summoned. During the End Phase, the effect of "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" which sends it to the Graveyard will activate after "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" is returned to the field.[8]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Gandora_the_Dragon_of_Destruction

**S.S.A.** 2011-12-24, 14:16

i dont think 1 works, if im reading it right, and remember future visions properly, then he'll just be banished and stay banished, he wont come back at all

and for 4, also if im reading it right, macro cosmos may keep him on the field, but im not sure

**Miror B.** 2011-12-24, 14:18

S.S. Anaconda wrote:i dont think 1 works, if im reading it right, and remember future visions properly, then he'll just be banished and stay banished, he wont come back at all

and for 4, also if im reading it right, macro cosmos may keep him on the field, but im not sure

Future Visions returns to the field, so it's not a summon. So it works.

And sending to the Graveyard isn't a cost at all.

**MrChillmatic** 2011-12-24, 14:19

The tips says it isn't destroyed if used with Future Visions :

Use this card with Future Visions to dodge the self-destruct effect, because he isn't summoned again by the effect of Future Visions

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Gandora_the_Dragon_of_Destruction

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 14:20

Okay, so future visions works, a couples others work, so long as he stays off past the end phase... Alright cool.

Last bit, If he destroys cards that can miss timing like fortune lady light... Will they miss their timing? Or can their effect activate?

**mido9** 2011-12-24, 14:23

It misses timing since last thing is the atk buff.

**S.S.A.** 2011-12-24, 14:27

Miror B. wrote:
S.S. Anaconda wrote:i dont think 1 works, if im reading it right, and remember future visions properly, then he'll just be banished and stay banished, he wont come back at all

and for 4, also if im reading it right, macro cosmos may keep him on the field, but im not sure
Future Visions returns to the field, so it's not a summon. So it works.

And sending to the Graveyard isn't a cost at all.

nerr mind then

**MrChillmatic** 2011-12-24, 14:29

mido9 wrote:It misses timing since last thing is the atk buff.

"And" means they happen at the same time, so no missed timing here.

**mido9** 2011-12-24, 14:35

MrChillmatic wrote:
mido9 wrote:It misses timing since last thing is the atk buff.

"And" means they happen at the same time, so no missed timing here.

Eh,nevermind then.

Saw Key answer a similar question with "Yes they miss timing" and i took her word.

**MrChillmatic** 2011-12-24, 14:37

It's based of this update by Konami's site :

Quickdraw Synchron

You can send 1 monster from your hand to the Graveyard and Special Summon this card (from your hand). For a Synchro Summon, you can substitute this card for any 1 “Synchron” Tuner monster. This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster, except for the Synchro Summon of a monster that lists a “Synchron” monster as a Tuner.

Note the structure of the first effect. It tells you two things.

First, it’s not an effect that starts a Chain. This means it’s vulnerable to Rai-Oh and similar cards.

Second, because it uses “and Special Summon” instead of “then Special Summon”, it also means that pitching a card and Summoning Quickdraw happen simultaneously. This means that you will not miss the timing for any “when… you can” optional effects of the card you sent to the Graveyard, like Archfiend of Gilfer or Jinzo – Returner.

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3140

I assume it's the same case here.

**Key** 2011-12-24, 17:52

1. Same as flip effect, it will be send to grave in the end phase
2.

If a Token Monster is destroyed and removed from the field by the effect of "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction", then the Token Monster was still destroyed by this effect, so it is counted for the ATK increase.[2]

4. I don't remember any, but I remember there's a way for Spirit monsters to remain on the field forever

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 18:16

Wait.. Key says 1 doesn't work.. But doesn't the wiki say it does? ._.

**Key** 2011-12-24, 18:18

During the End Phase, the effect of "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" which sends it to the Graveyard will activate after "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" is returned to the field.[8]

Where?

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 18:22

Both miror and chill said future visions could be used ... And on the tips section of the Gandora card it says you can use future visions to dodge gandora's effect.

**Key** 2011-12-24, 18:25

Tsunayoshi wrote:The thing is Soul, is that stuff on the wikia may not be completely accurate.

Key wrote:Tip section mostly

MrChillmatic wrote:Suppose "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" is removed from play by "Interdimensional Matter Transporter" during the turn in which "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" was Normal Summoned or Flip Summoned. During the End Phase, the effect of "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" which sends it to the Graveyard will activate after "Gandora the Dragon of Destruction" is returned to the field.[8]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Gandora_the_Dragon_of_Destruction

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 18:29

Interdimensional returns Gandora at end phase of the same turn, so I can see why that doesn't work... But future visions doesn't return it to the field until the next standby phase...

**Key** 2011-12-24, 18:32

/)_-
Sorry
Future Fusion is the card that keeps Spirit monsters on the field
I forgot it returns next stand-by

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 19:58

can I make 1 last question here?

would Pyro clock of destiny allow me to dodge his effect?

It says it moves ahead a turn, so it wouldn't be the same turn he was summoned in would it?

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Rulings on Pyro clock are ... hard to understand... it says it only works for stuff that counts turns ._. what does that mean?

Also, if Skill drain is active, would that mean he doesn't get destroyed at end?

**Miror B.** 2011-12-24, 20:32

Pyro Clock ups the turn count, it doesn't actually change the turn. It only works for cards that count turns like Final Countdown.

And I do believe Gandora would stay on the field with Skill Drain, but it would be a huge 0 ATK target.

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-24, 21:19

Miror B. wrote:Pyro Clock ups the turn count, it doesn't actually change the turn. It only works for cards that count turns like Final Countdown.

And I do believe Gandora would stay on the field with Skill Drain, but it would be a huge 0 ATK target.

Yeah, but I was thinking I could keep him safe for a turn then MST my own Skill Drain or something....

**Key** 2011-12-24, 23:20

Still has 0 atk even if Skill Drain is later removed from the field

**GreyZekrom** 2011-12-24, 23:43

Key wrote:Still has 0 atk even if Skill Drain is later removed from the field

But ya can activate his eff once SkD is not longer on teh field...right?

I always liked dis card, now I have a way to abuse of his eff...expect a disaster-future vision-dragon deck or sumthing cheers

**Miror B.** 2011-12-25, 00:08

LuzCeleste wrote:
Miror B. wrote:Pyro Clock ups the turn count, it doesn't actually change the turn. It only works for cards that count turns like Final Countdown.

And I do believe Gandora would stay on the field with Skill Drain, but it would be a huge 0 ATK target.

Yeah, but I was thinking I could keep him safe for a turn then MST my own Skill Drain or something....

Like Key said, it still has 0 ATK, and I doubt any semi smart player would leave this on the field long enough to use it's effect a second time, and 0 ATK isn't exactly beatstick material.

**LuzCeleste** 2011-12-25, 00:18

Miror B. wrote:
LuzCeleste wrote:
Miror B. wrote:Pyro Clock ups the turn count, it doesn't actually change the turn. It only works for cards that count turns like Final Countdown.

And I do believe Gandora would stay on the field with Skill Drain, but it would be a huge 0 ATK target.

Yeah, but I was thinking I could keep him safe for a turn then MST my own Skill Drain or something....
Like Key said, it still has 0 ATK, and I doubt any semi smart player would leave this on the field long enough to use it's effect a second time, and 0 ATK isn't exactly beatstick material.

Yeah I know, I'm just running through the motions here...

I'm probably just gonna use Dimensionhole.

**MrChillmatic** 2011-12-25, 04:34

For the "Interdimensional Matter Transporter" issue, here's a link to the japanese Yugioh FAQ :

http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?&lang=en&tid=56446&event=FE0006

I don't understant the language, but if someone is fluent he can check it.

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