Inzecter Ruling

**RareHunter** 2011-11-22, 05:12

This thread i dedicate for duelists that against Insektor's (TCG) or Inzecter's (OCG) duelist that said "You can't cos ... ... ... on field" or anything else

Few question:

Equipped Inzecter Hornet VS Stardust Dragon

Sending Hornet to the grave is the cost, therefore it isn't on the field when the effect resolves. Stardust Dragon CAN chain to the effect, but Inzecter Hornet is already in the grave so it doesn't destroy Inzecter Hornet but it does negate it's destruction effect. If Stardust Dragon chains to Inzecter Hornet, the effects of Inzecter Damsel and Centibeet still activate, right?

Summon an Inzecter vs Book of Moon

If Book of Moon is used to respond to summon of an Inzecter monster, can i use it's ignition effect first?

Equipped Inzecter Hornet VS Book of Moon

If an Inzecter Hornet equipped to Damsel is successfully sent to the graveyard, and i choose to activate 2nd effect of Damsel that special summon Inzecter monster and my opponent chains Book of Moon, will 2md effect of Damsel activate?

another question will ask later

**dest** 2011-11-22, 06:15

1. Right
2. Book flips the monster face down before the effect can resolve, so it doesn't equip anything, the monster stays where it is.
3. The effect is already activated, book wont change that and doesn't stop it from resolving...

**XVI** 2011-11-22, 17:36

I'm sure that an Inzecter being booked would be:

CL1: Inzecter effect to equip
Cl2: Book

-> The, an Inzecter would toss a monster from hand/GY, attempt to be equipped, get face-down and have equip Inzecter lose target. Inzecter that was targetted to be equipped would go to GY.

**dest** 2011-11-22, 17:52

an effect that affects the hand never targets. So the monster to be equipped is always chosen at resolution. Since there is no longer a monster face up to be equipped you can not pic a monster to equip.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-22, 20:15

dest wrote:2. Book flips the monster face down before the effect can resolve, so it doesn't equip anything, the monster stays where it is.
3. The effect is already activated, book wont change that and doesn't stop it from resolving...

2. so my Damsel still booked? no Priority (if ORCS already in TCG)?
3. book only set my monster and i can flip it back? cos he used book while in my MP1

**dest** 2011-11-22, 21:07

you use priority...
build the chain
link1 damsel
link2 book
resolve
link2 flipp face down
link1 resolves without effect because there is nothing wich can be equipped

you can always flip summon a monster back if it
1) hasn't been summoned this turn
2) hasn't declared an attack this turn (yet)
3) hasn't manually changed his battle position or flip summoned this turn

**RareHunter** 2011-11-25, 09:25

Inzecter Gigamantis vs Akly's Ruling

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Gigamantis
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dragunity_Aklys
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Dragunity_Aklys

condition: damsel in hand n grave, hornet in grave
i normal summon damsel, equip hornet (Damsel effect), send hornet, destroy 1 card, spec centipede, equip hornet (Centipede), send hornet, destroy 1 card, add Gigamantis, equip gigamantis to damsel, xyz damsel n centipde = no 17,Gigamantis destroy by Equip Card's ruling, could i activeate Gigamantis effect? Gigamantis text is If, and Aklys is When

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-25, 09:46

Absolutely not, because when that happens, it is not equipped to any monster.

**dest** 2011-11-25, 16:55

it doesn't have anything to do with if and when, aklys is a mandatory effect and and can not miss the timing anyhow...

if an equip card is not destroyed because of an effect or sent to the grave as some sort of cost it is always destroyed by a game mechanic, which is:
The monster the card is equipped to leaves the field. Now the equip card is without a target. So it is not equipped anymore. So it is destroyed.

It is not destroyed while equipped then, it is destroyed because it is no longer equipped, so it can't activate since the condition "while equipped" is not met.

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-11-25, 17:04

dest wrote:it doesn't have anything to do with if and when, aklys is a mandatory effect and and can not miss the timing anyhow...

if an equip card is not destroyed because of an effect or sent to the grave as some sort of cost it is always destroyed by a game mechanic, which is:
The monster the card is equipped to leaves the field. Now the equip card is without a target. So it is not equipped anymore. So it is destroyed.

It is not destroyed while equipped then, it is destroyed because it is no longer equipped, so it can't activate since the condition "while equipped" is not met.

I've always had hard time wording that correctly thanks for that Dest +1

**RareHunter** 2011-11-26, 03:39

Dest wrote:It is not destroyed while equipped then, it is destroyed because it is no longer equipped, so it can't activate since the condition "while equipped" is not met.

all Inzecters follow Aklys's ruling? o.O?
Oh, I see..

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-26, 04:13

Anything that says "When this card is sent to the Graveyard while equipped to a monster" follow the rulings of Dragunity Aklys when become Equip Monster.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-26, 09:23

Just to confirm if am not wrong Evil or Very Mad

Eqiped Inzecter Hornet vs Dimensional Fissure

Condition: Damsel on field, Hornet on S/T Zone, Dimensional Fissure face-up on S/T Zone
If i send Hornet and destroy 1 of my opponent's card, will Hornet go to graveyard due to Dimensional Fissure that only banish monster instead? cos Hornet treated as Equip Card not a Monster card while on S/T Zone

Equiped Inzecter Hornet vs Macro Cosmos

Condition: Damsel on field, Hornet on S/T Zone, Macro Cosmos face-up on opponent's field
If i send Hornet and destroy Macro Cosmos, will Hornet go to Banish zone? Hornet still count as a Card

Inzecter Gigamantis vs Shadow-Imprisioning Mirror

due to the effect of Gigamantis, it can equip itself to face-up Inzecter monster on field, the Inzecter's ATK still 2400 due to Mirror's effect that only negate DARK Monster's effect on Monster zone and in graveyard?

**dest** 2011-11-26, 09:39

1. Yes
2. You must send Hornet to the grave as a cost. With Macro on the field you can not pay the cost so you can not activate Hornet.
3. Yes

**RareHunter** 2011-11-26, 10:11

dest wrote:2. You must send Hornet to the grave as a cost. With Macro on the field you can not pay the cost so you can not activate Hornet

Oh, really? How if the situation like this:
Inzecter vs Effect Veiler

1. i activate Dimensional Fissure
2. normal Summon Damsel
3. my opponent would veiler/Maxx it
Since discard Veiler/Maxx to graveyard is a cost so my opponent can't activate Veiler nor Maxx, is it like that case?

**Ultimate lol** 2011-11-26, 10:22

correct

**RareHunter** 2011-11-29, 09:31

Just dont CLOSED this thread or SOLVED this thread, i run resources for this archtype Very Happy

will add question ASAP i have a problem

**RareHunter** 2011-11-30, 23:29

Equipped Inzecter Hornet vs Geartown

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Geartown
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Hornet
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Damsel
If Inzecter Hornet = Mystical Space Typhoon in this case
● Normal summon Damsel, equip Hornet from graveyard
● Activate Geartown, send Hornet to destroy Geartown
Could i spec Gadjiltron Dragon and another Inzecter (by Damsel's 2nd effect)? exmp: Inzecter Centipede

**kangtuji** 2011-11-30, 23:37

Does geartown destroyed faceup or destroyed facedown ?

**RareHunter** 2011-11-30, 23:39

kangtuji wrote:Does geartown destroyed faceup or destroyed facedown ?

Face-up

**BlackwingRa** 2011-11-30, 23:40

In my opinion, Damsel and Geartown SS will form a chain.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-01, 00:03

BlackwingRa wrote:In my opinion, Damsel and Geartown SS will form a chain.

In other word i could spec Gadjiltron Dragon (by Geartown) and another Inzecter (by Damsel). Oh, Thanks Very Happy

**Vincent** 2011-12-01, 02:53

Gearzecter...... My God.... well not that intense but never thought of it myself.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-01, 03:16

Vincent wrote:Gearzecter...... My God.... well not that intense but never thought of it myself.

It's Inzectown (Inzecter + Geartown)

ATM Inzecter has 7 decks that i knew Very Happy

● Pure Insect (with Howling insect, verdant santuary, Maxx, Doozer, etc)
● TGU Inzecter (TGU as engine)
● Wind-zecter (Wind-up as engine)
● Inzectown (Geartown as engine)
● T.G. Zecter (T.G. as Engine, allow us to synchro to Lv 5 & 7)
● Dimension Zecter (include TGU engine + D. Fissure, no fear for Veiler)
● Offering gadgeter (Gadget as engine)
● Inzect Knight-Priest ((Armageddon + Summoner monk))

**Vincent** 2011-12-01, 03:18

Oh okay.

I guess I count under Knight-Priest because at first glance it looked most consistent and that's what was bugging me about Inzecters.

**Roxzen** 2011-12-01, 03:30

Ugh Inzectown. x_x

It gave me dead draws like no tomorrow.

Anyway, from Damsel (lol Dragonfly) wording, it seems that it will activate for sent Equips, and they won't miss the timing, so you can equip Gigaweevil, equip Hornet to Damsel, destroy Gigaweevil with Hornet, SS 2 Inzecters from deck, SS 1 Inzecter from GY.

Clarification on this?

**g4rm818** 2011-12-01, 03:38

inzecktors can have bad hands that can cost the duel but the setup is easy and inzecktors can otk or even ftk if the right cards are in your hand
for the ftk to work you need dragonfly, gold sarcophagus, and foolish burial in hand
rest you can figure out

**RareHunter** 2011-12-01, 03:56

Roxzen wrote:Ugh Inzectown. x_x
It gave me dead draws like no tomorrow.
Anyway, from Damsel (lol Dragonfly) wording, it seems that it will activate for sent Equips, and they won't miss the timing, so you can equip Gigaweevil, equip Hornet to Damsel, destroy Gigaweevil with Hornet, SS 2 Inzecters from deck, SS 1 Inzecter from GY.
Clarification on this?

Gadjiltron would make it bad hand Very Happy

Gigamantis's and Gigaweevil's effect r mendatory, if no Inzecter monster other than Gigamantis and Hornet befor Hornet destroy Gigamantis, Gigaantis wouldn't spec Inzecter monster from grave (it's on Gigamantis vs Aklys's ruling) also in (Inzektor Dragonfly Tips)

g4rm818 wrote:for the ftk to work you need dragonfly, gold sarcophagus, and foolish burial in hand. rest you can figure out

They can't do FTK but OTK
and it only need Damsel, Gigamantis, Hornet in hand and another Inzecter monster in grave (Inzektor Dragonfly Tips) Twisted Evil

**Roxzen** 2011-12-01, 05:32

RareHunter wrote:Gadjiltron would make it bad hand
Gigamantis's and Gigaweevil's effect r mendatory, if no Inzecter monster other than Gigamantis and Hornet befor Hornet destroy Gigamantis, Gigaantis wouldn't spec Inzecter monster from grave (it's on Gigamantis vs Aklys's ruling) also in (Inzektor Dragonfly Tips)

I got a feeling that the tip is your doing. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, I disagree that Gigamantis will fizzle without effect, since you do not have to select any Inzektor to use Gigaweevil effect. It just need to be sent to the Graveyard, and when it is sent to the Graveyard, there's already an Inzektor monster in the Graveyard, so its effect can be activated to Special Summon itself. (or other Inzecter, in case of Gigamantis)

Aklys vs Gigamantis ruling have nothing to do with this, as it isn't destroyed by game mechanics.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-01, 09:19

as i said

Gigamantis effect and Gigaweevil effect r mendatory effect, if in grave already another Inzecter (before Hornet destroy Gigamantis) Gigamantis could spec that Inzecter but not Hornet that destroy itself nor itself Very Happy

in Damsel's tips (wikia link) written "another Inzecter in grave", so if no another Inzecter monster other than Hornet that destroy Gigamantis and itself in grave, Gigamantis cant't spec monster Very Happy

synchronize w/ Gigamants vs Aklys's ruling? Gigamanti need to be "while equipped to a monster" a.l.a BlackwingRa said

**Roxzen** 2011-12-01, 10:41

I cannot understand what you're trying to say.

I'll just leave this here;

Q: After Inzector Hornet was equipped to Inzector Damsel, the effect of Inzector Gigamantis was activated targeting the same Inzector Damsel, and then the effect of Inzector Hornet was activated destroying Inzector Gigamantis. In this case, how are the effects of Inzector Gigamantis and Inzector Damsel activated in a chain?
A: First, Inzector Hornet is sent from the Field to the Graveyard as a cost, allowing Inzector Damsel to activate its effect once, and when the effect of Inzector Hornet resolves destroying Inzector Gigamantis, Inzector Damsel can activate its effect once again.

Therefore, when Inzector Gigamantis is destroyed by the effect of Inzector Hornet, the effect of Inzector Gigamantis and the two times that the effect of Inzector Damsel was activated will activating forming a chain in any order.

Also, Gigaweevil can SS itself, Gigamantis cannot.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-01, 22:48

I just said Gigamantis cant spec Inzecter monster if no Inzecter monster other than itself and Hornet that destroy itself

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Gigaweevil
am miss reading Gigaweevil's text, it could spec itself but it can't spec itself if destroyed by Hornet. Gigaweevils's effect is mandatory effect Very Happy

Damsel could spec 2 times if equiped w/ Gigamantis + Hornet but Gigamantis can't spec Hornet that destroy itself from grave but Gigamantis could spec Inzecter that already in grave before Gigamantis destroyed by Hornet. Gigamantis's effect is mandatory effect Very Happy

that why in Damsel OTK we need another Inzecter other than Gigamantis and Hornet Very Happy

Problem SOLVED

**Roxzen** 2011-12-01, 23:18

RareHunter wrote:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Gigaweevil
am miss reading Gigaweevil's text, it could spec itself but it can't spec itself if destroyed by Hornet. Gigaweevils's effect is mandatory effect

That is contradictory. =/

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-01, 23:31

Inzektor Giga-Weevil's effect is optional effect that cannot miss the timing, and if it was destroyed by Hornet's effect, it can SS itself back to the field.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-02, 00:01

Oops

Could i ask a question?
Giga-Weevil vs Giga-Mantis

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Gigaweevil
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Giga-Mantis
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Compulsory_Monster_Effect
Gigamantis's effect is mandatory effect
is Gigaweevil's effect mandatory effect, too?

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-02, 00:17

Both Giga-Weevil and Giga-Mantis' effects are optional effects that cannot miss the timing (If...you can...).

**RareHunter** 2011-12-02, 00:56

BlackwingRa wrote:Both Giga-Weevil and Giga-Mantis's effect cannot miss the timing (If...you can...).

I don't talk bout miss timing but Effect that activate in the same time (Hornet destroy Giga-Mantis & Hornet vs Gigaweevil) Very Happy

Complete question w/ their combo:

Inzecter Hornet vs Inzecter Giga-Mantis

Got 1st turn to go. Normal summon Dragonfly, equip Hornet, equip Giga-Mantis (self effect). send Hornet, destroy Giga-mantis. Dragonfly could spec 2 Centipedes, but Giga-Mantis can't spec Hornet 'cos Giga-mantis effect is Mandatory effect, am i right?

Inzecter Hornet vs Inzecter Giga-Weevil

Got 1st turn to go. Normal summon Dragonfly, equip Hornet, equip Giga-Weevil (self effect). send Hornet, destroy Gigaweevil. Spec 2 Centipede. Could Gigaweevil spec Hornet or itself?

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-02, 03:14

for the 1st question:
Giga-Mantis' effect is optional effect, and since Hornet is in the grave BEFORE Giga-Mantis hits the grave, Giga-Mantis can SS Hornet to the field.
2nd question:
Giga-Weevil can SS itself or Hornet to the field.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-02, 04:21

BlackwingRa wrote:for the 1st question:
Giga-Mantis' effect is optional effect, and since Hornet is in the grave BEFORE Giga-Mantis hits the grave, Giga-Mantis can SS Hornet to the field.
2nd question:
Giga-Weevil can SS itself or Hornet to the field.

Hornet and Gigamantis go to graveyard in the same time Very Happy

R u kidding? it means i just need 2 card for OTK?

Inzecter Ruling Mod

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-02, 04:43

Same time? Hornet being sent to grave as cost, that's mean it hits the grave before Giga-Mantis. And even if it is sent to grave at the same time as Giga-Mantis being sent to grave, Giga-Mantis still can SS Hornet back to the field because when Giga-Mantis hits the grave, Hornet is there with it.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-02, 04:53

Thanks, Problem Solved Very Happy

**RareHunter** 2011-12-03, 00:43

Inzecter Damsel vs Bottomless TROLL Hole

hypermaster117 wrote:ok for my question say I summon inzector dragonfly (I like the name damsel better) then used its eff to equip from my hand inzecter hornet than from my hand I use inzecter giga-weevil eff to equip it to dragonfly. Then i use hornets eff to destroy gigaweevil and activate damsels eff twice and use gigaweevils eff to special summon itself.

1. i'm pretty sure dragonfly activates twice because of how the order goes
1st hornet is sent to the grave as part of a cost.
2nd damsel activates and specials a inzecter from your deck
3rd hornet destroys gigaweevil
4th damsel activates specials another inzecter
5th gigaweevil revives itself

Answer

Silva wrote:1st Chain:
Send Hornet to Grave. Hornet is Chain Link 1.
Damsel's Effect triggers and becomes Chain Link 2.
Chain begins resolving.
Damsel summons a monster and your opponent cannot activate Bottomless at this time because the chain is still resolving.
Hornet destroys Giga.
Chain finished resolving.

2nd Chain begins:
Giga's effect triggers becoming Chain Link 1.
Damsel's effect also triggers becoming Chain Link 2.
Chain begins resolving.
Damsel summons a monster and your opponent cannot activate Bottomless at this time because the chain is still resolving.
Giga summons itself.
Chain finished resolving.

Mod said

Dest wrote:Chain 1:
Link1: Send Hornet to the grave, target giga.
Resolve:1 Destroy Giga

Chain 2:
Link1: Damsel Triggers
Link2: Giga/Damsel Triggers
Link3: Giga/Damsel Triggers (here you can choose the order)
Resolve3: Summon Giga/Summon Monster from the deck
Resolve2: Summon Giga/Summon Monster from the deck
Resolve1: Summon Monster from the deck

**RareHunter** 2011-12-08, 01:43

BUMP THIS, EVERYONE DON'T KNOW THIS
Inzecter Ruling Sundul

**Vincent** 2011-12-09, 00:22

4 very broken images and a bump.... huh.

Can't even open them in a separate tab.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-09, 00:44

Inzecters vs Skill Drain

Skill Drain only negates the resolution of a monster’s Ignition/Trigger effect if the monster is face-up on the field at that time. Once you send Hornet for his own cost, his effect resolves in the Graveyard, where Skill Drain can’t touch it. Skill Drain only negates resolutions, not activations. is it means i can activate Dragonfly's (Damsel cooler than Dragonfly) to equip Hornet from hand and send Hornet to destroy Skill Drain?

This problem different with Shadow-Imprisioning's problem
Inzecter Ruling Mod

**Miror B.** 2011-12-09, 01:41

RareHunter wrote:Inzecters vs Skill Drain
Skill Drain only negates the resolution of a monster’s Ignition/Trigger effect if the monster is face-up on the field at that time. Once you send Hornet for his own cost, his effect resolves in the Graveyard, where Skill Drain can’t touch it. Skill Drain only negates resolutions, not activations. is it means i can activate Dragonfly's (Damsel cooler than Dragonfly) to equip Hornet from hand and send Hornet to destroy Skill Drain?
This problem different with Shadow-Imprisioning's problem

Damsel would get negated and you wouldn't be able to equip :/

**g4rm818** 2011-12-09, 01:56

inzektors can ftk if your opponent ends their 1st turn
activate gold sarchophagus to banish dragonfly
activate foolish to dump hornet
normal dragonfly equip hornet destroy 1 card on the field and special summon centipede
activate centipede eff quip hornet to it to destroy another card then get gigamantis
xyz for leviair
activate its eff detaching centipede to get ur banished dragonfly
dragonfly eff quip to hornet and quip gigamantis from hand to dragonfly
hornet eff to destroy gigamantis dragonfly eff x2 since 2 equip cards were sent to grave and gigamantis eff to special summon centipede (notice they dont miss the timing since the wording is "if" not "when")
special summon 2 gigamantis from deck centipede equip hornet and destroy another card if necessary
1000+1600+1800+2400+2400=9200 damage on the 1st turn after your opponent finishes their turn FTK inzektors are broken in a way

**RareHunter** 2011-12-09, 08:34

g4rm818 wrote:inzektors can ftk if your opponent ends their 1st turn
activate gold sarchophagus to banish dragonfly
activate foolish to dump hornet
normal dragonfly equip hornet destroy 1 card on the field and special summon centipede
activate centipede eff quip hornet to it to destroy another card then get gigamantis
xyz for leviair
activate its eff detaching centipede to get ur banished dragonfly
dragonfly eff quip to hornet and quip gigamantis from hand to dragonfly
hornet eff to destroy gigamantis dragonfly eff x2 since 2 equip cards were sent to grave and gigamantis eff to special summon centipede (notice they dont miss the timing since the wording is "if" not "when")
special summon 2 gigamantis from deck centipede equip hornet and destroy another card if necessary
1000+1600+1800+2400+2400=9200 damage on the 1st turn after your opponent finishes their turn FTK inzektors are broken in a way

FAIL FTK Very Happy

U were not reading Gigamantis vs Gigaweevil section and Gigamantis vs Aklys's ruling that made u EPIC MISSPLAY eva.. read the fucking ruling that already answered Evil or Very Mad

Obviously they only need 3 cards for OTK.. and their resolve: 2x number 17 + 1x Number 30 = 8000 enought cheers

g4rm818 wrote:Damsel would get negated and you wouldn't be able to equip :/

Skill drain only negates RESOLUTION not ACTIVATION

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-09, 09:04

Read wrong again, nothing wrong about that FTK, it's perfectly fine.

**RareHunter** 2011-12-09, 09:09

BlackwingRa wrote:Read wrong again, nothing wrong about that FTK, it's perfectly fine.

but from what Dest in his quote, we only have 2 option if destroy Giga-Mantis with Hornet (it is in Inzecter vs BTH)
a: spec 2x Centipede
OR
b: spec Centipede from grave

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