The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
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The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
kangtuji 2011-12-13, 17:29
The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion
You can substitute this card for any 1 Fusion Material Monster. The other Fusion Material Monster(s) must be the correct one(s). By Tributing Fusion Material Monsters on the field, including this card, Special Summon 1 EARTH Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck.
and
Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
1 Machine-Type monster + 1 Pyro-Type monster
Once per turn, during your Main Phase, you can inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each card on the field. This card cannot declare an attack during the turn this effect is activated.
My opp said he can use subtitute effect....
I don't think he cann't but since I cann't give the links... so I am asking here.. can he do it ?
AGH ! LOST CONNECTION BEFORE I CAN COPY THE GAME LOG !!! !!![/size]
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Here is private chat log :
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New log (This dude is persistent):
kangtuji: lsot connection
kangtuji: no you cann't use hex subtite for fenix
kangtuji: http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t11610-the-earth-hex-sealed-fusion-for-replacement-blaze-fenix-the-burning-bombardment#134133
Azareal: you see the periods in the cards description
Azareal: that seperates the cards different effects. The specific ruling your talking about is only applied to attributes of the fusion and Thats only if you use the second effect for when its on the field
kangtuji: No, I AM NOT TALKING SECOND EFFECT
kangtuji: i am talking your subtitute effect
Azareal: Ok your talking about the substitute effect
kangtuji: yes, you cann't use the subtite effect for phoenix
kangtuji: since its not spicifically names
Azareal: where is the ruling that says that?
Azareal: You can substitute this card for any 1 Fusion Material Monster. The other Fusion Material Monster(s) must be the correct one(s).
kangtuji: its fusion rulings
kangtuji: jesus
Azareal: thats the 1st half of that card description
kangtuji: just bookmark the link on forum I give to you
Azareal: Ok backup....you said I cant use the hex because it doesnt have specific names
kangtuji: yes you cann't use hex for any fusion without specific names
kangtuji: cards like absolute zero, chimeratech (the machine part), etc
Azareal: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hex-Sealed_Fusion
kangtuji: you cann't use subtitue for them
Azareal: I just read that up and down...its no where in the rulings that says I cant sub it for a certain material like a type of monster
Azareal: it has the hex rulings on it
kangtuji: yes, that why I am informing you that you cann't
kangtuji: the reason its not specifically names the material
Azareal: Its no ruling that says I cant use it for a type of monster
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Azareal: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:The_Earth_-_Hex-Sealed_Fusion
Azareal: and this is the rulings for earth Hex...its not under there either
Azareal: paste the ruling that your talking about
kangtuji: I cann't find it specifically, but you cann't use the subtitue for not specific name just like king of the swamp can not replace generic part
kangtuji: bookmar this link : forum.duelingnetwork.com/t11610-the-earth-hex-sealed-fusion-for-replacement-blaze-fenix-the-burning-bombardment#134133
Azareal: thats something that you wrote..I read it and its the same debate...we just gotta wait till someone response
kangtuji: no its not debate
kangtuji: you cann't use subtite for nor specifically material names
Azareal: The rulings doesnt say that
Azareal: if it does I asked you to paste that ruling in this chatbox
kangtuji: yes, that why I am informed you
Azareal: its a card ruling right?
kangtuji: yes, every fusion subtiute fall into that same ruling
Azareal: I asked you to paste that ruling
Azareal: the rulings do not state what it is your trying to say
kangtuji: I told you I cann't find it, but you can NOT use subtite for replacing non specifically name
kangtuji: i give you the hex ruling, the king of the swamp ruling, but its not specifically written for fenix
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Azareal: even if you cant, the rules for the card are right there on the card itself
Azareal: but im looking up fenix rulings right now
kangtuji: yes, but the main point is not fenix ruling, but SUBTITUTE for fenix material which isn't specifically names, so you cann't use the hex for replacing that
Azareal: I get what your saying
Azareal: Hex's can only sub card names not card types
Azareal: but until you show me a ruling that backsup your claim I cant belive you
kangtuji: no no, you got it wrong, HEX only can subtitue for SPECIFIC names
Damn ... how persistent this dude that he cann't use subtitute on not specifically names
Azareal: so your saying that fusion monsters that read "Fusion can only be conducted with the fusion materials above" Those are the only ones I can use the Hex for?
kangtuji: YES, the ruling DOES NOT STATE SPECIFICALLY about fenis, but I told you in the hex and king of the swamp ruling that you can NOT replace non specific materi
kangtuji: Azareal: so your saying that fusion monsters that read "Fusion can only be conducted with the fusion materials above" Those are the only ones I can use the Hex for? <--- oh sorry in this case differe
kangtuji: "Fusion can only be conducted with the fusion materials above"
Azareal: thats where your confused. You cant use substitues for fusion monsters that can ONLY be fusion summoned by using certain names."
kangtuji: NOT
kangtuji: "Fusion can only be conducted with the fusion materials above" <-- meaning can not subtitute
Azareal: I know
kangtuji: That only work for monster with specific names
Azareal: But that right there
kangtuji: i mean specific Requirement*
Azareal: Thats base don the fusion monster summoning ruling
Azareal: not the substitue
Azareal: based on*
kangtuji: those kind of fusion cann't be replace with the subtiute like the hex, king of swamp, etc
Azareal: I know
Azareal: Fenix doesnt have that summoning ruling
kangtuji: now now... I am not talking THE SECONF EFFECT of hex
Azareal: I know I know
kangtuji: i am talking the subtite part, that you use with POLYMERIZATIIOn
kangtuji: which is you cann't replace the hex for machine or pyro part
Azareal: I see what your trying to tell me...that subs can only be used for names and not types
Azareal: but thats not true..because the rulings doesnt state that
Azareal: if it does...please show me a the ruling
kangtuji: That why I am informed you now that you cann't
kangtuji: just bookmark the link and see the answer later
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On unrelated note...
here is the proof there is another shell on my graveyard
for to you who wondering / accusing me cheating on chat log
(those chat log and private log are different game)
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/Wc4gw.jpg style=max-width:50%;float:right; margin: 0 0 15px 15px; >
</ul></ul>here is the proof there is another shell on my graveyard
for to you who wondering / accusing me cheating on chat log
(those chat log and private log are different game)
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/Wc4gw.jpg style=max-width:50%;float:right; margin: 0 0 15px 15px; >
kangtuji
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
storyteller 2011-12-13, 18:26
Hex-Fusions (and any fusion substitution monster, for that matter) don't substitute for anything other than specified fusion materials.
So, no, it can't be used to summon Fenix.
So, no, it can't be used to summon Fenix.
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
kangtuji 2011-12-13, 18:30
^ Can you provide link as my opp requested ?
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
Phoenix Wright 2011-12-13, 18:31
was the massive log necessary?
To answear, your question, I believe hex sealed fusion cannot substitute
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:The_Earth_-_Hex-Sealed_Fusion
To answear, your question, I believe hex sealed fusion cannot substitute
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:The_Earth_-_Hex-Sealed_Fusion
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
storyteller 2011-12-13, 18:32
How about the fusion substitution monster's page?
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fusion_Substitute_Monsters
"Fusion Substitutes cannot be used for: ....Fusion Monsters that do not specifically name their Fusion Material Monsters"
and should they try to argue it's not a fusion substitution monster for some reason, just go to the hex-sealed fusion page.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hex-Sealed_Fusion
"The Hex-Sealed Fusion monsters are a group of 3 monsters ...that can be used as a Fusion Substitute Monster"
and yeah, put that log in a spoiler or something.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fusion_Substitute_Monsters
"Fusion Substitutes cannot be used for: ....Fusion Monsters that do not specifically name their Fusion Material Monsters"
and should they try to argue it's not a fusion substitution monster for some reason, just go to the hex-sealed fusion page.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hex-Sealed_Fusion
"The Hex-Sealed Fusion monsters are a group of 3 monsters ...that can be used as a Fusion Substitute Monster"
and yeah, put that log in a spoiler or something.
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
kangtuji 2011-12-13, 18:38
*facepalm*
Of course, I need to keep a track of record of my own mistake
So I can give the correct answer, with proof and evidence that I was wrong in the past.
Not just "oh you doesn't have links, your argument is invalid"
(which is I unable give at that time...)
Also, This thread happen because from that log happen, so both of us knew the situation, not just a biased view. I give my view, and my opp view, and informed him about this thread too
Of course, I need to keep a track of record of my own mistake
So I can give the correct answer, with proof and evidence that I was wrong in the past.
Not just "oh you doesn't have links, your argument is invalid"
(which is I unable give at that time...)
Also, This thread happen because from that log happen, so both of us knew the situation, not just a biased view. I give my view, and my opp view, and informed him about this thread too
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
RareHunter 2011-12-13, 19:57
Hex-Sealed Fusion's ruling = EH Prisma's ruling
so, he can't, problem solved
so, he can't, problem solved
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
Phoenix Wright 2011-12-13, 20:12
kangtuji wrote:*facepalm*
Of course, I need to keep a track of record of my own mistake
So I can give the correct answer, with proof and evidence that I was wrong in the past.
Not just "oh you doesn't have links, your argument is invalid"
(which is I unable give at that time...)
Also, This thread happen because from that log happen, so both of us knew the situation, not just a biased view. I give my view, and my opp view, and informed him about this thread too
"Can the earth HSF be used to summon monsters that don't specify materials?"
That would have sufficed, at least put it in a spoiler next time
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
kangtuji 2011-12-13, 20:31
Nope, I don't like spoilers
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
S.S.A. 2011-12-13, 20:44
yea, i agree with many of the above, the huge log is 100% unnessisary...the question could be asked in one sentence
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Re: The Earth Hex-Sealed fusion for replacement Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment
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