Earning xp when your opponent quits instead of admitting defeat

Hi
i think DN would be much better if you still earnt experience when your opponent quits the duel instead of admitting defeat.

My experience is only about 50 when my rating is about 620(i think)
i find it really hard to earn xp when my opponents sometimes quits instead of admitting.
Please change this

I completely agree, I just had that happen to me. I'm at like 320/75 and I can't go up because people quit and don't admit defeat. Obviously your rating/exp has been affected more than mine, but I agree with you. They have punishments for cheaters and etc. I think a person should gain 2 exp when the other person quits, and the person who quits gains or loses 1. Just a reversed admit defeat (1 for winning players, 2 for people who admit defeat).

I guess you don't have to worry about low on experience... your opponent keep rage quitting means that you are skilled enough to make them rage quit, if you are skilled player, you will eventually duel with a lot good and skilled player. You will find out that yourself admit defeat a lot because there are many good and skilled player which is skilled enough defeat you in many match, and they admit defeat too when they lose the match. Then, your rate will start decrease, and your experience will increase, so which mean your rate and experience will neutralize in the end...

While it's certainly annoying when your opponent quits, you shouldn't be rewarded more for them quitting. At most, you should get 1, in my opinion, because you did duel them.

Some people might also quit because their opponent is being insufferably annoying or something, or due to an internet issue. That's not a mark of experience to the winning player, though.

It also somewhat depends on how much stake you put in exp vs rating.

skielinfiniti wrote:While it's certainly annoying when your opponent quits, you shouldn't be rewarded more for them quitting. At most, you should get 1, in my opinion, because you did duel them.

Some people might also quit because their opponent is being insufferably annoying or something, or due to an internet issue. That's not a mark of experience to the winning player, though.

It also somewhat depends on how much stake you put in exp vs rating.

I disagree.

Any quitting after rock-paper-scissors should reward points.

Most quits from other people I've played were.
1. Their bad opening hand.
2. An opening play by me they couldn't counter
3. Irrelevant reasons (such as me not wanting to play a second game with them).

Even in IRL tournaments, if the player quits for any reason, I gain points.

I completely agree, I just had that happen to me.My exp can't go up.

I am quite sure you guys are saying that because of the one time it happened to you and you just don't remember the times people admitted.

I've never had this problem.

I've watched a friend do mass duels with randoms and she's barely had this problem.

You Guys Need TO START READING the stickys

This has been requested over 100 times
and guess what its been rejected over 100 times

Its impossile to tell from rage quits and DC
And if a player did DC you really did not "win" Your oppoment just DCed,

And like i stated many of times, DC/Rage quit your still getting your Ratting
The only Small Problem is your not getting your EXP,
And Truth is if you want EXP Just Go Run A Shitty Ass deck in rated and admin defeat when you lose,

- Gain 1 EXP if your oppoment admits to you
- Gain 2 Exp if you admit defeat
- Gain 1 Exp if you draw

and if pepole quit guess what,
Deal with it Gif*

lol Although that was kind of a harsh post above, the point is correct.

The exp system is actually quite fair the way it is. The dissatisfaction comes from people wanting to treat exp like rating, which it was not meant to be. Just break it down simply like so:
For the person who quits:
-Gain = 0
-Loss = rating
For the person who doesn't quit:
-Gain = rating
-Loss = 0
Thus the person who quits takes only a loss with no gain, while the person who doesn't quit still has no loss and in fact gains from it. This is the best simulation of what a real tournament would be like, because there's nothing gained from losing the match, and the amount lost by one player is proportionally gained by the other player (from the same overall rating baseline). In other words, what one player loses is gained equally by the other.

Now when you admit it's like this:
For the person who admits:
-Gain = exp
-Loss = rating
For the person who wins:
-Gain = rating + exp
-Loss = 0
So in fact in this situation, the person who admits defeat is mitigating their own losses, while the person who gets the win from it is still not losing anything and only gains a little bit extra to adjust for the additional gain of the loser, but the gain is no longer equal to the loss because the loser has mitigated his own loss more than the winner has gained extra. So really this situation has the greatest benefit for the loser, because when they admit they suffer a net loss that is less than from quitting.

From a decision analysis standpoint, when your opponent quits, it hurts them more than you, and when they admit, it benefits them more than you. The complaints about exp, therefore, don't make sense.

whaaaaaaaaat? you really want those people wholl go afk to force opponent to quit to get exp?


most of the time mods are really busy with calls and you normally call 1 for afk after 10 or so min add that to the time it takes the mods to answer and the fact many of them will come back after a long time to make you cancell the call play for a turn and go afk again hoping youll quit

i think rewarding those people with exp is a really bad idea

Hate to say it but the rage quit is because of the format. It wasn't this bad before but with Wind-Ups trolling everyone people just quit...and I don't blame them. No one should have to start a duel with 1 card in their hand and stare down a loaded field full of xyzs they can't beat without top decking dark hole.

Once Konami screw their heads back on people will calm down because the format won't be as derpy and you'll gain more rep.

you really think its only against wind ups ??

No, but I do think Wind-Ups were the catalyst for lack of patience with opponent's god hands.
P.S. thanks for asking and not assuming. I like people who are smart like you.

DIYDeath wrote:No, but I do think Wind-Ups were the catalyst for lack of patience with opponent's god hands.
P.S. thanks for asking and not assuming. I like people who are smart like you.

uh what? People have been rage quitting since before the loop was popular >_> I think it's silly if you quit because you see wind ups or something. Who cares if your opponent quits? You still get the win and some experience

some people even quit at RPS because they want to go first or not play at all

raidou wrote:some people even quit at RPS because they want to go first or not play at all

so move on to the next person XD it's not like RPS takes up a lot of your time

Only a small percentage of DN users quit instead of admitting defeat, as quitting results in him not getting any EXP either. However, I don't think this is a huge thing to fuss about. 1-2 lost EXP points isn't really something to have heart failure over.

CheyMcFly wrote:

raidou wrote:some people even quit at RPS because they want to go first or not play at all

so move on to the next person XD it's not like RPS takes up a lot of your time

i dont have any problems with people quiting i dont like it much but i know i part of the game


but im still agaisnt this bad idea for the reasons i gave before ,

i dont want people wholl do anything to make you quit to get exp from it

CheyMcFly wrote:

DIYDeath wrote:No, but I do think Wind-Ups were the catalyst for lack of patience with opponent's god hands.
P.S. thanks for asking and not assuming. I like people who are smart like you.

uh what? People have been rage quitting since before the loop was popular >_> I think it's silly if you quit because you see wind ups or something. Who cares if your opponent quits? You still get the win and some experience

Did I say that people didn't rage quit before the wind-up loop? No. I didn't. I said it was a catalyst to higher RQ rates. Please, if you're gonna respond to my posts, respond to what I've typed instead of what I haven't typed.

DIYDeath wrote:

CheyMcFly wrote:

DIYDeath wrote:No, but I do think Wind-Ups were the catalyst for lack of patience with opponent's god hands.
P.S. thanks for asking and not assuming. I like people who are smart like you.

uh what? People have been rage quitting since before the loop was popular >_> I think it's silly if you quit because you see wind ups or something. Who cares if your opponent quits? You still get the win and some experience

Did I say that people didn't rage quit before the wind-up loop? No. I didn't. I said it was a catalyst to higher RQ rates. Please, if you're gonna respond to my posts, respond to what I've typed instead of what I haven't typed.

Except there has been no real change of the amount of rage quits.

When certain people don't get their way, they rage quit. It's always been that way. The only reason Wind-Ups could've increased the rate of RQs is because there are plenty of people playing it.

RQers quit at anything they feel like. They'll quit against Dark Worlds. They'll quit against Inzektors. They'll quit against Roids even.

raidou wrote:some people even quit at RPS because they want to go first or not play at all

Don't we all? Or am I missing something.

Miror B. wrote:

DIYDeath wrote:

CheyMcFly wrote:

DIYDeath wrote:No, but I do think Wind-Ups were the catalyst for lack of patience with opponent's god hands.
P.S. thanks for asking and not assuming. I like people who are smart like you.

uh what? People have been rage quitting since before the loop was popular >_> I think it's silly if you quit because you see wind ups or something. Who cares if your opponent quits? You still get the win and some experience

Did I say that people didn't rage quit before the wind-up loop? No. I didn't. I said it was a catalyst to higher RQ rates. Please, if you're gonna respond to my posts, respond to what I've typed instead of what I haven't typed.

Except there has been no real change of the amount of rage quits.

When certain people don't get their way, they rage quit. It's always been that way. The only reason Wind-Ups could've increased the rate of RQs is because there are plenty of people playing it.

RQers quit at anything they feel like. They'll quit against Dark Worlds. They'll quit against Inzektors. They'll quit against Roids even.

Thank you for saying what I was going to! XD I was atwork and couldn't respond

xD. Just give exp and points after a win and if a person quits give the opposing player the same gain he would get from a win after completing a match. jesus these mods are mega uptight.....

I GOT THE ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM


















...........lets just get rid of rated altogether
Copyright Red_Chaos

Wow, this thread sure did get a lot of replies when we have so many other threads like it... =D

Zero2Hero wrote:Wow, this thread sure did get a lot of replies when we have so many other threads like it... =D

well if its been multiple times its obvious its in high demand. lol. Well besides tag duels, but thats understandable because the site would become chaos and it would be annoying to program. However for this request, getting xp and rating if a OP dc's isnt bad, and can most likley be implemented with a few if statements lmao.

Zero2Hero wrote:

no mlp shall be stated in this thread...

sagax06 wrote:

Zero2Hero wrote:

no mlp shall be stated in this thread...

You're a bit late on that one.

asdfface wrote:Hi
i think DN would be much better if you still earnt experience when your opponent quits the duel instead of admitting defeat.

My experience is only about 50 when my rating is about 620(i think)
i find it really hard to earn xp when my opponents sometimes quits instead of admitting.
Please change this

It already as. If your opponents quits instead of admitting defeat you still get xp if you are dueling in the advance blue

JackieFoxDude wrote:

asdfface wrote:Hi
i think DN would be much better if you still earnt experience when your opponent quits the duel instead of admitting defeat.

My experience is only about 50 when my rating is about 620(i think)
i find it really hard to earn xp when my opponents sometimes quits instead of admitting.
Please change this

It already as. If your opponents quits instead of admitting defeat you still get xp if you are dueling in the advance blue

You get rating.
You don't get Exp.