Reversing Reversed Battle Damage?

If both players control a Daigutso Sphreeze, and one player attacks the other Sphreeze with a Gusto that has lower ATK, what happens?
Similarly, with cards like Amazoness Swords Woman, and Naturia Mosquito?

Does Battle Damage get applied normally, by game mechanics, in order to avoid a feedback-loop?

I ran into this problem without any precedent being found, and asked an in-game admin, who erroneously believed that the cards in question were inflicting Effect Damage. Therefore, I have posted this here, in hopes of a satisfactory answer.

Card text is below:

Daigusto Sphreeze
Your opponent takes any Battle Damage you would take from battles involving a face-up "Gusto" monsters you control.

Naturia Mosquito
Your opponent takes any Battle Damage you would have taken from battles involving a face-up "Naturia" monster you control, except this card.

Amazoness Swords Woman
Your opponent takes all Battle Damage that you would have taken from a battle involving this card.

I don't know the correct answer, but continuous effects never "activate", they "apply".

the battle damage will only be redirected once.

sphere, mosquito and swordswoman only redirect battle damage, it's not an effect damage.

poemi wrote:the battle damage will only be redirected once.

Could you possibly elaborate on this, please?

LoudKid wrote:

poemi wrote:the battle damage will only be redirected once.

Could you possibly elaborate on this, please?

How could it be clearer? If you attack with a Amazoness Swordswoman against a Gusto (while Sphreeze is on the field) You will take damage if you have higher ATK and you opponent will take damage if you have lower attack.

LoudKid wrote:

poemi wrote:the battle damage will only be redirected once.

Could you possibly elaborate on this, please?

Ignore me.

Ignoring the above. :3 Lol.

The reflected damage is still treated as Battle Damage, thus, the conundrum.

Tcbskater wrote:

LoudKid wrote:

poemi wrote:the battle damage will only be redirected once.

Could you possibly elaborate on this, please?

Once it's been redirected once, it becomes Effect Damage, not Battle Damage.

thats wrong its still battle damage you can even prevent taking it with waboku

It's still battle damage, but not battle damage involving a battle (don't know if I make sense). It that was the case, it could create an infinite loop.

Let's say you both have Daigusto Sphreeze and you attack using a weaker Gusto fo example. Your Daigusto will redirect the damage to your opponent, but the battle damage redirected isn't considered as resulting from a battle involving their face-up Gusto so it won't be redirected and they take the damage.

I hope that's clearer (and that I'm not wrong )

i think its the same as PMD vs bad reaction ( effect damage stays effect damage and lp gain will stay as lp gain)


both will cancel each other and the damage will be dealt as normal

It's confusing I know, but since it can only be redirected once, then I think my scenario might be correct.

Ignore what I said earlier. >.>

raidou wrote:i think its the same as PMD vs bad reaction ( effect damage stays effect damage and lp gain will stay as lp gain)

both will cancel each other and the damage will be dealt as normal

That's only applies for effect damage or LP gain.

unless there's something new, I believe this is still correct

ASW ruling wrote:When "Susa Soldier" battles "Amazoness Swordswoman", the controller of "Susa Soldier" takes full damage; the damage is NOT halved.

If you change Susa with another ASW the result would be the same, the attacking monster continuous effect (that do something to battle damage) isn't applied.

Just went on WC and tested.

The damage is only redirected once and only once.

It doesn't work like burn redirection.

So if a Daigusto Sphreeze attacks an Amazoness Swords Woman under normal conditions, the ontroller of Sphreeze takes the damage.

I'm aware that in the battle of 2 "redirecters", it's the controller of the higher attack monster that takes damage, but I'm still not sure about the scenario I posted.

whats the difference ?

Well, since the official game redirects it only once, then I believe Mr. Chillmatic's theory makes the most sense.
The Battle Damage is inflicted through an effect, and is therefore not through the battle of the monsters. Thus, the next card that would reflect ignores it.

I believe this is now solved. :] Thank you for your input, everyone!

@LoudKid: No, it's still battle damage,not effect, but let me explain it more.

Battle damage can only be redirected once and I have 2 theories for this :

Theory 1 : Not the most believable, but it may be to avoid an infinite loop of redirected damage, so it can only be redirected once.

Theory 2 : More believable. The battle damage a 'redirecter' inflicts isn't considered anymore as damage coming from a battle involiving a face-up "X".

Let me explain it more with scenarios :

- Scenario 1 :

Player A has Daigusto Sphreeze and Gusto Gulldo (just an example).
Player B has Daigusto Sphreeze and Gusto Thunbolt (again just an example).

Player A's Gusto Gulldo attacks Player's B Daigusto Sphreeze or Gusto Thunbolt. Player B monster has a higher attack so Gulldo is destroyed and Player A's Sphreeze redirects the damage to player B. Player B's Daigusto Sphreeze can't redirect the damage due to one of the 2 theories I posted.

Result is Player B takes all the damage.

- Scenario 2 :

Player A has Amazoness Swordswoman.
Player B has Daigusto Sphreeze.

Player A attacks (or is attacked). Amazoness Swordswoman is destroyed and since it'll normally receive battle damage, she redirects it back at Player B. Due to one of the theories posted, Player B's Daigusto Sphreeze can't redirect it back.

Result is player B takes the damage here.

Then again, I might be wrong.

MrChillmatic wrote:Theory 2 : More believable. The battle damage a 'redirecter' inflicts isn't considered anymore as damage coming from a battle involiving a face-up "X".

This is what I said in the previous post. At no point did I ever say it was Effect Damage, and in fact, in the first post, I demonstrated this knowledge of it still being considered 'Battle Damage'.

Ahem... Not trying to be rude here... ^__^;

To my knowledge, the issue is SOLVED, and I request that a Mod mark this topic as such.

Oh, I must have read it wrong. No problem then and sorry.