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Post  Nick100895 2011-10-05, 00:18

This happened in a real life game.

My friend summons Gravekeeper's visionary.
I activate bottomless trap hole.
Gravekeeper's visionary effect: If this card is would be destroyed, you can discard one gravekeeper's monster instead.
Gravekeeper's effect can't activate until bottomless has fully resolved, since it removes it from play.
Am I correct in saying this?
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Post  The Origin 2011-10-05, 01:12

nope

visionary is a spell speed two effect so it can be activated in response to bottomless
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-10-05, 03:57

Yes Vissionary works the same way as would Stardust vs Bottomless Trap Hole, it can activate it's eff in response to BTH and stop itself from being destroyed and removed...
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Post  Magicknight94 2011-10-05, 04:16

The Origin wrote:nope

visionary is a spell speed two effect so it can be activated in response to bottomless
Badass_Bunny wrote:Yes Vissionary works the same way as would Stardust vs Bottomless Trap Hole, it can activate it's eff in response to BTH and stop itself from being destroyed and removed...
Incorrect. That is Continuous Effect. It never actives. It applies when BTH resolves.
Nick100895 wrote:This happened in a real life game.

My friend summons Gravekeeper's visionary.
I activate bottomless trap hole.
Gravekeeper's visionary effect: If this card is would be destroyed, you can discard one gravekeeper's monster instead.
Gravekeeper's effect can't activate until bottomless has fully resolved, since it removes it from play.
Am I correct in saying this?
You are incorrect too. When it would be destroyed BTH, it effect is apllied and BTH cannot destroy it. Then BTH cannot banish it too. It just like Red Nova Dragon.
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Post  Nick100895 2011-10-05, 05:57

ahhhh ok i see now, i have no idea how i couldn't come to that conclusion when that happened during the game, i probably just had a complete mental blank...
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Post  kangtuji 2011-10-05, 06:07

So Visionary is ignition / trigger or continuous effect ?

I am starting get confuse now
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Post  BlackwingRa 2011-10-05, 06:20

All effects of Visionary is continuous. The effect that stop itself to be destroyed is like the old Six Samurai.
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