Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions

**Miror B.** 2011-12-29, 19:57

If I was in the situation, I probably would've let him. It was a misplay on his part, and I'm not too uppity on that kind of stuff.

But it isn't wrong at all to say he misplayed and has to deal with it.

**kangtuji** 2011-12-29, 20:09

I did let him venus staying on his graveyard Neutral

Well... I didn't said anything because at that time I am not sure if hyperion can active his effect or not, but I can guarantee he return Venus to graveyard from RFG

And 3rd screenshot happend was during next M1, for no reason suddenly he cussing me and quit -_-a
(Hell, I didn't even said anything or touching his grave/rfg)

I don't know why is my opp which using agent angel deck is so raging when he losing Neutral

he even cussing me and accousing me cheating while I didn't do anything silent

Back to topic, so Hyperion can use it effect while white Dragon & safe zone on field...

Its not illegal activation right ?

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-29, 20:36

Nothing can stop Hyperion to activate its effect in that situation

**Tsunayoshi** 2011-12-29, 21:07

kangtuji wrote:Following question, since hyperion activated without reading the monster effect:
So, Venus removal is a cost....
on 2'nd screenshot he return venus to graveyard

Can he do that ? Returning venus to graveyard ?
Is it safe to bitching about it ? Considering what happen on 3'rd screenshot

Nope. Venus being banished was a cost for the effect and he has to play through. Meaning he either should have popped Hyperion or popped the Sanctuary.

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-29, 21:12

No, he can still target cards on opponent's field, but can't destroy it anyway.

**Tsunayoshi** 2011-12-29, 21:55

BlackwingRa wrote:No, he can still target cards on opponent's field, but can't destroy it anyway.

That too >->

**kangtuji** 2011-12-29, 22:08

Timing Question still unanswered :

<img src=https://i.imgur.com/8u0db.jpg style=max-width:100%>

Opp use mind control
Chaining Duplication, Tributing Hanzo, Summoning new Hanzo

Miss the timing ?

**Tsunayoshi** 2011-12-29, 22:21

I would assume that Mind Control fizzles because of choosing its target when activated

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-29, 22:21

Always miss timing if you do that.

**Tsunayoshi** 2011-12-29, 22:29

BlackwingRa wrote:Always miss timing if you do that.

Wrong term. In the case of Kang's question, Mind Control would be losing its target since it has to choose when being activated.

**Miror B.** 2011-12-29, 22:34

Target is lost, MC fizzles, Hanzo misses timing.

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-29, 22:44

Mind Control lost its target, and resolve without effect, that's why Hanzo miss the timing. Nothing wrong in what I said.

**kangtuji** 2011-12-30, 10:53

Now list of questions so far (Going edit the first post later) :

What'll happen when :
1. If Against Macro Cosmo... can it worked ? *Unanswered*
2. If working in chain, example on those scenario:

3. In case scenario monster changes,
A. what happen when sending to grave, if only ninja send
B. what happen when sending to grave, if only opp monster send

4. In case summoning from deck, because it happen determined from sending level, do it still sending if above scenario happen ? Knowing no monster not meet the requirment ?

Also in case illegal activation,... ninja user forgot there is no legal target left on the deck, can it still activated just for sending both monster to grave

*etc... etc...
but Cann't remember all.... I think these are in my memory for now... going edit later

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-30, 11:13

1. Since both monsters won't hit the grave, no monster will be Special Summon.
2. In my opinion, the monster that is Set by BoM won't be sent to grave.
3. It counts the total level of the sent monsters, so if 1 isn't sent, it counts the level of the other.
4. Resolve without effect.
Illegal Activation will lead to replay the action, Set back the Trap because it cannot be activated.

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-12-30, 12:24

Monsters don't need to hit the grave for Super Transformation sending them there is part of the effect(fear the semi-colon) You can activate it just fine with Macro Cosmos on field

**Miror B.** 2011-12-30, 14:25

1. What Bunny said.
2. Super Transformation targets Face-Up monsters. If one of them is flipped down, that monster is not sent to the Graveyard.
3. According to Wiki, you send and still summon, you just have to deal with the one monster.
4. If there's no compatible target in the deck, you send and do nothing.

**Key** 2011-12-30, 17:48

Badass_Bunny wrote:Monsters don't need to hit the grave for Super Transformation sending them there is part of the effect(fear the semi-colon) You can activate it just fine with Macro Cosmos on field

Wrong, you can activate, but if monsters aren't sent to grave, you cannot summon any monsters in deck (I have already covered this in the other thread)

Miror B. wrote:4. If there's no compatible target in the deck, you send and do nothing.

Again, target $ deck ....
Just don't use the word target

**kangtuji** 2011-12-30, 18:55

2 people said Super-Transform can summon under macro cosmo
2 said can not....
If we goes to majority vote,.... this is a stalemate... Neutral

BTW about forgotten situation I mention before,
I think I also face some situation that makes Super-Trans resolve without effect.... is this possible? (Resolving, but monster aren't sent to graveyard)
I forgot the extact situation, but it did involving order of chaining I think....

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-30, 20:30

BB and Mirror B. didn't say you can Summon, they said you can ACTIVATE the card, but no monster will be summon since the sent monsters didn't hit the grave.

**Smokay** 2011-12-30, 20:55

You can't summon the card until there are two firegrasses in your hand,field,and graveyard. Stop being stupid and read the cards.

**kangtuji** 2011-12-30, 21:05

oo.. youre right they didnt specifically said summon part
some misleading part there

wait a moment... if I activate super-trans when macro active... where will the monster gone then ? what happen to resolution ? also there a situarion macro alrwady active and macro veing chained to super-trans and super-trans xhained to macro

and what if another xhain link occura luke bom as chain link 3 ....

**Smokay** 2011-12-30, 21:24

Gnoring my post. And you wonder why you lost against me.

**kangtuji** 2011-12-30, 21:32

1st, its not even a match, you said you have something to go (cannt remember if it was you or not, either you have to go or you are going to sleep) when I am offer rematch
(And little note, regardless I am winning or losing, I always try to offer rematch against non netdecker deck)

2nd, what could I do when I got bad draw, even I am facing.... uh... cann't remember what is your deck,.... dark magician ?

3'rd, you didn't give any contribution/answers for this thread, and I read the card, and that why I am asking in here the part of I don't get it <-- this is why your post got ignored

and No, I do not wonder why I am lost against you, you're not the only one I playing with Neutral

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-30, 22:08

If you activate Super-Transformation while Macro Cosmos on the field, the monsters will be banished, and no monster will be summoned from deck or hand.
Chain Macro Cosmos to Super-Transformation, the answer above.
Chain Super-Transformation to Macro Cosmos, the monsters will be sent to grave, and you can Special Summon through Super-Transformation.

**kangtuji** 2011-12-31, 00:37

See.... this is why I need this thread with complete explaination why

1) <img src=https://i.imgur.com/svqN0.jpg style=max-width:100%>

2) <img src=https://i.imgur.com/Asg20.jpg style=max-width:100%>

3) <img src=https://i.imgur.com/C6Eeq.jpg style=max-width:100%>

He return his banished marhmallom, and summon raiza, then quit.
All happen in less than 1 minutes before I even could link to this thread

**kangtuji** 2012-01-01, 03:23

Duplication timing question

Opp attacking
Responding with duplication, tributing gold, summoning new hanzo....

Question

1. Miss the timing ?
2. Can I choose not to add ninjas from deck to hand ?

**Tsunayoshi** 2012-01-01, 04:28

If I am not mistaken, with nothing else happening in that chain, Hanzo would not miss timing to activate its effects.

The effect of Hanzo is optional, so if you have nothing to search out, then you do not have to use the effect.

**RareHunter** 2012-01-01, 09:40

Flame Armor Ninja & Air Armor Ninja

Spoiler:

Aqua Armor Ninja

Spoiler:

Ninja Master - Hanzo

Spoiler:

Masked Ninja - Ebisu

Spoiler:

Armored Ninjitsu Freeze Lock

Spoiler:

Armored Ninjitsu Rust Mist

Spoiler:

Ninjitsu Art of Super Transformation

Spoiler:

Armored Ninjitsu Gold Conversion

Spoiler:

Problem solved

**kangtuji** 2012-01-01, 10:44

WTF @
- The original level of the card when it enters grave is used
Meaning Fire Ninja (raise 1 level) effect is invalid
(Also... would this affect Ninjitsu Art of Duplication aswell ?)

and How do you make a token a ninja ?.....
possible thing I can think now... copy knight...

**kyros** 2012-01-01, 17:41

The fire ninja's effect isn't there for super transformation; it helps with synchro/xyz.

**RareHunter** 2012-01-01, 19:45

kangtuji wrote:WTF @
- The original level of the card when it enters grave is used
Meaning Fire Ninja (raise 1 level) effect is invalid
(Also... would this affect Ninjitsu Art of Duplication aswell ?)
and How do you make a token a ninja ?.....
possible thing I can think now... copy knight...

Ruling that i gave in quote is Official from KONAMI and already confirmed
and for Gold Conversion, replace Imperial Custom with White Dragon Ninja
need say something? say it to KONAMI Very Happy

EDIT: TCG ORCS card's ruling unconfirmed yet (White Dragon Ninja, Art of Duplication), due to they're not released yet in TCG. Flame ninja in Ninja deck aimed for instant Xyz/Synchro, not worked for Super Transformation

**BlackwingRa** 2012-01-01, 20:15

Can you give me the source, RareHunter? I need it for my own forum rulings update, thanks. Very Happy

**RareHunter** 2012-01-01, 20:55

BlackwingRa wrote:Can you give me the source, RareHunter? I need it for my own forum rulings update, thanks.

source:
click here
click here

**Roxzen** 2012-01-01, 23:18

Can you SS Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon from the deck while having Toon World up with Ninjutsu Art of Super Transformation? Or will you need to tribute 2 monsters to do so?

**BlackwingRa** 2012-01-01, 23:23

No, since Blue-Eyes is a Semi-Nomi monster, it can't be SS from Deck by Super-transformation.

**Roxzen** 2012-01-01, 23:45

I see.

There goes my brilliant idea of TooNinja. =/

**kangtuji** 2012-02-13, 03:46

https://imgur.com/PaSXF

Why Duplication cann't tribute facedown ?
"Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position, with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters."

Note:

It has same wording as Icarus Attack / ゴッドバードアタック
"Tribute 1 Winged Beast-Type monster to select 2 cards on the field. Destroy them."
Unlike Offering to the Snake Deity / 毒(どく)蛇(じゃ)の供(く)物(もつ)
"Target 1 face-up Reptile-Type monster you control and 2 cards your opponent controls; destroy all three targets."

**RareHunter** 2012-02-13, 04:12

kangtuji wrote:(Also... would this affect Ninjitsu Art of Duplication aswell ?)

it doesn't affect Duplication, Duplication say, "Tribute"

**Miror B.** 2012-02-13, 04:16

Duplication has no official rulings so I'm gonna say it works like Icarus Attack.

**Joenen** 2012-02-13, 05:41

face down monsters can be used to pay costs so long as the aforemention'd cost doesn't say otherwise.

**Shinichi K.** 2012-02-14, 06:34

For more support:

Vanquishing Light

Tribute 1 "Lightsworn" monster. Negate the Summon of a monster and destroy it.

Ruling

Tributing one "Lightsworn" monster is a cost to activate "Vanquishing Light". You can also Tribute a face-down "Lightsworn" monster.[1]

Same for Duplication.

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