tender of the laval volcano question

here's the situation. i used the eff of card trooper then milled 3 cards but the first monster milled was tender of the laval volcano then followed by another laval monsters..

the question now is that, will tender's eff trigger? since there is another laval milled but the problem s that laval were milled after tender was.

The answer is no. The last thing happens is Card Trooper gain additional ATK, not Tender of the Laval Volcanno being sent to grave, so Tender miss the timing to activate its effect.

are you sure about that? how about when i use laval gunner. would it be the same?

Laval Gunner has no cost to mill, Card Trooper does.
Thing is, it first mills, then also gains attack, here it's not because milling is cost(it's not here, it's effect), but the attack gaining will happen last.

Just remember, it's a When...you can..
The last thing to happen has to be Tender send to grave.
Using Tender for Synchro won't trigger it either.

i see. that would make laval uncool. tsk! im so disappointed. thanks though, i gained a lesson this time. i need to improvise my laval deck then.

play more ocg and use smeltering heat transmission field x3

Red_Chaos wrote:play more ocg and use smeltering heat transmission field x3

i dont have that card IRL. anyways, would volcano works on the milling capabilities of LS like ryko?

Mizukage wrote:

Red_Chaos wrote:play more ocg and use smeltering heat transmission field x3

i dont have that card IRL. anyways, would volcano works on the milling capabilities of LS like ryko?

I don't play with lightsworns so i don't know about that

Milling is the last thing ryko does, so yes, tender will trigger when milled by it. Celestia is a cost, so there it wont trigger. All other LS (at least all other I remember right now) mill as a separate effect in the end phase, so it is always the last thing that happened, so it definitly will trigger.

what about i use hand destruction..in that way would volcano eff activates? i really have difficulty on the timing part. what would be happening last, the draw 2 cards or laval send to grave?

I don't know for sure about this, but in my opinion, Tender's effect can be activated.

BlackwingRa wrote:I don't know for sure about this, but in my opinion, Tender's effect can be activated.

i also thought about that but i need explanation if possible. thanks though.

I think it can be activated because it says you "send 2 cards from hand to grave and draw 2 cards", usually when we see the word "and" we can say that the actions happen at the same time.

how about charge of the light brigade? but i doubt volcano would miss the timing. since the last thing will happen is that to add 1 lvl 4 or lower ls. i just wanna make sure though. and also i dont know whether charge of the light brigade is a cost eff (the mill part)

Charge of the Light Brigade's mill action is cost. Miss timing for sure.

last question..when laval volcano is milled first (w/o any other laval in grave) then followed by another laval.. by using gunner's eff.. will volcano get its eff?

Yes, because Tender's effect won't activate until the effect that sends it to grave resolved. (and of course, 5 cards that milled for Laval Gunner are considered to be sent to grave at the same time)

BlackwingRa wrote:I don't know for sure about this, but in my opinion, Tender's effect can be activated.

Not simultaneous, Tender miss the timing

Key wrote:

BlackwingRa wrote:I don't know for sure about this, but in my opinion, Tender's effect can be activated.

Not simultaneous, Tender miss the timing

They are sent at same time, the attack gaining is just the last thing to happen. That's why it misses the timing.

Actually Key mentioned about Hand Destruction, but yeah, it miss timing.

here's another scenario.

P1: had sangan then attacked P2's FD ryko.
P2: flipped ryko then destroyed sangan.

the question now is that..after sangan was destroyed that is the time ryko will mill right? what if ryko mills 3 laval inculig tender of the laval volcano? is the timing this time miss? can tender's eff be trigger?

then please state the order of the chain link if possible..i just want to clarify things up.

Depends if Sangan it's effect is used or not(I think).
When Sangan is used then Sangan is the last thing to happen, otherwise Tender can be used.

3E-hero neos wrote:Depends if Sangan it's effect is used or not(I think).
When Sangan is used then Sangan is the last thing to happen, otherwise Tender can be used.

can you state the order of the chain?

Ryko and Sangan are seperate chains, neither of them are quick effects to chain to each other.

But, first Ryko resolves, kills Sangan, then mills.
Sangan activates, searches.
Tender misses timing as the last thing to happen wasn't sending her to grave but Sangan it's effect.

Again I could be wrong.

3E-hero neos wrote:Depends if Sangan it's effect is used or not(I think).
When Sangan is used then Sangan is the last thing to happen, otherwise Tender can be used.

No NO NO NO!

ACTIVATIONS DO NOT CAUSE MISSED TIMING.

Ryko activates, kills sangan and milles Tender.

Sangan activates as it is Sangan's timing for activation and it does not miss timing.

Tender now CHAINS TO SANGAN, because it is also the correct timing for Tender and nothing has happened since it was milled.

EDIT: Just realized my post sounds angry, and let me apologize but this is one of my pet peeves of yugioh.

Miror B. wrote:

3E-hero neos wrote:Depends if Sangan it's effect is used or not(I think).
When Sangan is used then Sangan is the last thing to happen, otherwise Tender can be used.

No NO NO NO!

ACTIVATIONS DO NOT CAUSE MISSED TIMING.

Ryko activates, kills sangan and milles Tender.

Sangan activates as it is Sangan's timing for activation and it does not miss timing.

Tender now CHAINS TO SANGAN, because it is also the correct timing for Tender and nothing has happened since it was milled.

EDIT: Just realized my post sounds angry, and let me apologize but this is one of my pet peeves of yugioh.

oh i see..can you please elaborate further about the statement "ACTIVATIONS DO NOT CAUSE MISSED TIMING"? if you dont mind.

im really confused coz i thought it would missed the timing since the last thing had happened was that sangan's eff resolved.

What he meant is Activation of effects that will start a new chain will not cause missing the timing. Like when you blow up Sangan and mill Tender.

in short..when would be tender only miss the timing? could you guys cite an example so that i can analyze the timing part?

-Tender being sent to grave is not the last thing happens in an effect (mostly being sent to grave as cost)
-Tender being sent to grave in the middle of a Chain.

so why would be tender misses the timing when it is use as a synchro material?

Ah, forgot 1 more situation:
Tender being sent to grave for Summon (Synchro, Tribute, Ritual and Fusion).

BlackwingRa wrote:Ah, forgot 1 more situation:
Tender being sent to grave for Summon (Synchro, Tribute, Ritual and Fusion).

in general..all optional trigger eff monsters like naturia cliff and peten the dark clown will miss the timing when the above situation is done?

Yes, they always miss the timing when they're put in these situations.

thanks a lot guys! really helped me.

question:

i actiavte lavalval chain's eff then send 1 material and then from deck i send tender..will tender miss the timing since detatching xyz material is a cost?

I guess, it won't, send 1 card from deck to grave is part of effect, lavalval 1st effect just work like foolish burial, so i guess it will goes like:

Active lavalval chain by detach 1 Xyz material as cost to active 1st effect to send tender to grave, effect finish resolves when tender is send to grave, then tender active effect forms a new chain.

Tender won't miss the timing, last thing happens is Tender being sent to grave.

hehe..i guess i was over thinking the cost thig that would cause miss timing..thanks guys!