Two swift scarecrow

Okay. My opponent attacks with Quasar. I swift scarecrow. He negates. I chain with another swift scarecrow. I was under the impression this was valid since you can active another effect to negate an attack within the same window. Like for example - an opponent attacks with Shi En. Flip cylinder, negate, chain dprison. I thought this was valid. Can someone explain or am I going crazy, because some mod told me it was invalid. I apologize if I'm wrong.

Swift Scarecrow's eff is Trigger, Spell Speed 1, you cannot chain it to a Quick eff like Quasar.

You could activate both of the Swift Scarecrows in response to the same attack though, in a SEGOC, resulting in atleast one of them resolving properly.

LittLeD wrote:You could activate both of the Swift Scarecrows in response to the same attack though, in a SEGOC, resulting in atleast one of them resolving properly.

You can only activate 1 trigger effect from the hand per chain. Hence why you can't chain 2 Trag.

I don't think its confirmed for swift scarecrow, since it's not summoning itself to the field.

there even a perfect rule breaker like infernity archfiend :p

That rule is for all Trigger Effects that activate from hand, although quite a few of them do SS. You can only use 1 Trigger Effect that activates from the hand per chain. If Swift was a Quick Effect (like Veiler or Maxx C), then it could be used in that fashion.

skielinfiniti wrote:That rule is for all Trigger Effects that activate from hand, although quite a few of them do SS. You can only use 1 Trigger Effect that activates from the hand per chain. If Swift was a Quick Effect (like Veiler or Maxx C), then it could be used in that fashion.

Source? The ruling has always been that multiple Monster Trigger effects which activate in the hand (or grave, if the monster also has the ability to activate in the hand) that special summon the monster to the field cannot be activated in response to the same event.

Swift Scarecrow does not special summon itself.

LittLeD wrote:

skielinfiniti wrote:That rule is for all Trigger Effects that activate from hand, although quite a few of them do SS. You can only use 1 Trigger Effect that activates from the hand per chain. If Swift was a Quick Effect (like Veiler or Maxx C), then it could be used in that fashion.

Source? The ruling has always been that multiple Monster Trigger effects which activate in the hand or grave that special summon the monster to the field cannot be activated in response to the same event.

Swift Scarecrow does not special summon itself.

Well...WC11 let's me chain Swift Scarecrow to Battle Fader so /ok.

Last I checked (which was around 3-4 months ago), this situation was considered "Unresolved" in OCG... which means that until we hear differently, then the only trigger effects with restrictions on activation are those that special summon something. Scarecrow is not one of them, so LittLeD is correct.

so its because its from hand + ss itself



i knew it wasnt because its a trigger effect because we know more than one trigger effect can be activated in response to the same event

scrap searcher : if a scrap is destroyed you can activate the effects of all your scraps searchers in grave


same with xiaolong ss stardust dragona and you can choose to activate all the xiaolongs in your grave

raidou wrote:so its because its from hand + ss itself



i knew it wasnt because its a trigger effect because we know more than one trigger effect can be activated in response to the same event

scrap searcher : if a scrap is destroyed you can activate the effects of all your scraps searchers in grave


same with xiaolong ss stardust dragona and you can choose to activate all the xiaolongs in your grave

Nobody said anything about the Graveyard :/

i know thats why i mentioned it on the same post(first sentence)

is just weird trigger effects work different in hand than in grave maybe its because the content of the grave is for the opponent to see at all times




off topic littleD

the gunslinger as avatar and sig ! nice ! (rep+)

It is the same for the grave though... you can't activate multiple trigger effects that would summon from the hand or the grave on the same SEGOC initiating event unless those effects are mandatory. If there isn't a summon effect, then you can activate them like normal.

Example ruling: You can only Special Summon 1 Wingtortoise from you hand or Graveyard when a face-up Fish, Sea Serpent, or Aqua-Type monster(s) you control is banished, even if you have multiple Wingtortoise in you hand or Graveyard.

T3RCX wrote:It is the same for the grave though... you can't activate multiple trigger effects that would summon from the hand or the grave on the same SEGOC initiating event unless those effects are mandatory. If there isn't a summon effect, then you can activate them like normal.

Example: Malefic Truth Dragon - You can only summon 1 Malefic Truth Dragon when a Malefic monster is destroyed no matter how many you have in your hand OR in your graveyard.

The Grave is immune to this ruling. The only time this ruling applies would be if the monster's effect summons itself from the hand or Grave, like Green Baboon.

I changed my example to Wingtortoise cause the ruling was easier to find than Malefic (cause of the having multiple Malefics faceup issue).

And isn't that what I said? Or did I misunderstand what he was saying o.o?

Well it doesn't matter anyway, the question is resolved by now.

Eh, your first sentence said same for grave so whatevs.

Oh, I always assumed scarecrow was a quick effect. My apologies. Okay I can activate two scarecrows simultaneously to evade Quasar. Yes?

For now, 2 Swift, yes.