Re: Ruling FAQ - Clearing up the most confusable rulings

**dest** 2011-10-19, 15:38

done... what is so difficult there^^

**{EX} TheVoid** 2011-10-19, 18:15

Absolutely nothing, but now that its in the FAQs hopefully SOME people will read it before posting the same question every other day.

**OverlordMMM** 2011-10-27, 13:31

Someone suggested that I post this in the ruling section to help clear up Timing issues and how to check to see if something misses timing. I wasn't sure whether I should post it in a new thread or here, so I'll start here.

I originally posted this in the "Pulsar" thread:

OverlordMMM wrote:In terms of missing timing there is a simple breakdown you can do to figure out whether or not a card will miss timing or not.

1) Check to see if its optional, i.e. "...you can..."
Yes? - Cards with the words "you can" are optional effects. To figure out when to apply the effect, you need to look at the condition which triggers it.
No? - Cards without "you can" are mandatory as long as the condition is met.

2) Check the condition under which the effect applies, i.e. "If...", "When...", None, part of another effect
If? - Cards with this wording only care about whether the condition is met or not. As long as the condition is met, the effect activates.
When? - Cards with this wording care about literally "when" the condition is met. This means they can only activate at that exact moment. If anything happens after that moment, then the effect cannot resolve because it has passed.
None? - If there is no condition, then the effect simply happens. This is the bulk of many spells, some traps, and some monster effects.
Part of another effect? - Cards like this are dependent on the first part of the effect resolving. If the first part doesn't resolve, the second part cannot resolve. This is not the same as missing the timing, but is still important. One great example is Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress. In order for it to resolve, both parts of the effect must be able to resolve. If you cannot change her position, you cannot destroy a S/T.
- There are other cards with similar clauses, but separated by commas, periods, etc. In any of these cases, to do any later parts of the effect, the previous effects may have to happen first.

I hope this clears up timing a bit.

**dest** 2011-10-27, 13:44

great explanation, I'll refer to it with a link, thanks

**OverlordMMM** 2011-10-27, 23:06

You're very welcome. Smile

**ASOBITAI** 2011-10-28, 09:20

dest wrote:1a) The one and only exception here is "Dark Simorgh" whose Special Summon is treated as an ignition effect for some strange reason... most probably BKSS.

Genex Ally Birdman has an ignition effect.

**BlackwingRa** 2011-10-28, 10:20

Nah, I think because it related to hand so Dark Simorgh is Ignition Effect. And Birdman joins Dark Simorgh on the list of weird summon monster, and soon Pulsar too.

**dest** 2011-10-28, 14:20

thanks, totally forgot about birdman when writing this^^

pulsar... no idea if he gets ignition too, but since he sounds similar to simorgh, perhaps.^^
We'll see soon enough

**BlackwingRa** 2011-10-28, 20:01

With the current card text, Pulsar isn't similar, it is the same as Simorgh. But yeah, we'll see soon enough.

**Key** 2011-10-28, 21:52

Wikia talk page has said that Pulsar is like a summon condition, it shouldn't be an ignition effect

**BlackwingRa** 2011-10-29, 03:17

If it will be a summoning condition, Konami is silly.

**Key** 2011-10-29, 04:43

The grammar in OCG suggests that
Let's put that aside until the card is at least released in OCG territories

**yugi awesome** 2011-11-07, 16:18

thats gonna help alot Laughing

**ggrichie** 2011-12-17, 01:39

also i need to no if u activate mind crush and call it wrong can dark world monster still activate there effs

**BlackwingRa** 2011-12-17, 03:02

Yes they will activate, discard for call wrong by Mind Crush is discard by effect.

**Joenen** 2012-01-03, 04:52

BlackwingRa wrote:With the current card text, Pulsar isn't similar, it is the same as Simorgh. But yeah, we'll see soon enough.

Subbing to this thread to see if i could help out, but I'd like to say that dark simorgh is a huge exception. The only reason Dark Simorgh isn't a summoning condition for an inherent special summon is BKSS (Because Konami Said So).

Its safer to assume Light Pulsar is an inherent special summon as opposed to an ignition monster effect, like Dark Simorgh's.

**dest** 2012-01-03, 08:32

at that time the post was written that wasn't too sure...
by now it is already ruled as an inherent summon, so it's clear now

**[EP] Irate** 2012-01-03, 08:40

dest, wie immer hilfsbereit. Smile

Ich hab für deinen Thread gestimmt!!

**kangtuji** 2012-01-17, 23:04

Just want to tell...
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We gotta rewrite/reformat our articles

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**dest** 2012-01-24, 04:01

removed the html stuff now...

**dest** 2012-02-02, 07:41

added Morphing Jar #2

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