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How does Grand Mole beat Catastor?

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Post  DuelKing 2011-08-31, 18:27

How does Grand Mole beat Catastor? Neo-SpacianGrandMole
Grand Mole can bounce a monster it battles at the start of the Damage step, but that's optional.
How does Grand Mole beat Catastor? Df3b9d18
Catastor destroys any non-dark monster it battles at the start of the Damage step. That isn't optional. And both are at the start of the damage step.

I accept the ruling that Grand Mole beats Catastor, but I'll still question it. Do optional effects resolve before mandatory ones?
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Post  raidou 2011-08-31, 19:20

i remember somebody explained to me



when effects activate at the same time the mandatory effect get the first chain link

mandatory vs mandatory / optional vs optional =priority decides which one goes first on the chain link


mandatory vs optional = mandatory always go first



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Post  {EX} TheVoid 2011-08-31, 19:24

CL order is as follows:

Turn Players mandatory effects -> Non-turn players mandatory effects -> turn players optional -> non-turn players optional.

Therefore, turn player or not, Catastor becomes CL 1 since it is mandatory, then mole is CL2. It resolves backwards so Mole bounces, then Catastor tries to destroy. However Mole is no longer on the field to be destroyed by the effect, and therefore Catastor cannot check Moles attribute.
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Post  dest 2011-08-31, 19:43

that is called SEGOC.
I'm sure you've met it bevore and you will meet in in several other situations. Read it, remember it, and you'll never have a problem with that again.
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Post  Phoenix Wright 2011-08-31, 21:35

DuelKing wrote:How does Grand Mole beat Catastor? Neo-SpacianGrandMole
Grand Mole can bounce a monster it battles at the start of the Damage step, but that's optional.
How does Grand Mole beat Catastor? Df3b9d18
Catastor destroys any non-dark monster it battles at the start of the Damage step. That isn't optional. And both are at the start of the damage step.

I accept the ruling that Grand Mole beats Catastor, but I'll still question it. Do optional effects resolve before mandatory ones?

True, mandatory effects do activate first

Link 1>>Catastor
Link 2>> Grand Mole

Chain resolves backwards


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Post  Ruf_Pup13 2011-08-31, 22:10

Yup like Pox and almost everyone on here has said, Chain resolves back wards, Mole bounces To hand aloong with catastor to the extra and catastor has no attribute or card to go by.
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