Malefic + Ceasefire

Each player has a properly summoned malefic cyber end dragon in their grave, a spear cretin is flipped and destroyed. Each player special summons MCED in face down defense position. While a field card is active and NO other malefics are on the field, ceasefire is activated. Which MCED is destroyed?

Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

Tcbskater wrote:Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

Shinichi K. wrote:

Tcbskater wrote:Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

I appreciate the nitpicking. :p

Shinichi K. wrote:

Tcbskater wrote:Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

Only 1 Malefic can exist, on the field if 2 are flipped face up at the same time you choose which one you keep.

However if Skill Drain is on the field than it's possible to have 2 Malefics on the field.

Badass_Bunny wrote:
Only 1 Malefic can exist, on the field if 2 are flipped face up at the same time you choose which one you keep.

Even in this situation where you only control one of the two?

Tcbskater wrote: Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

Ok, I originally did this with Malefic BEWD and assumed the summoning conditions would be parallel. I just wanted to use on people actually use a lot.

If you look at BEWD text and compare it to BLS text it's practically identical.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" from your Deck.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard.

So it's semi nomi and spear cretin affects it.

So which one is destroyed since they both flip at the same time?

SaveTheDolphins wrote:

Tcbskater wrote: Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

Ok, I originally did this with Malefic BEWD and assumed the summoning conditions would be parallel. I just wanted to use on people actually use a lot.

If you look at BEWD text and compare it to BLS text it's practically identical.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" from your Deck.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard.

So it's semi nomi and spear cretin affects it.

So which one is destroyed since they both flip at the same time?

You're right; oddly enough, Malefic Blue-eyes is Semi-Nomi, while Malefic Cyber End is Nomi.

SaveTheDolphins wrote:

Tcbskater wrote: Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

Ok, I originally did this with Malefic BEWD and assumed the summoning conditions would be parallel. I just wanted to use on people actually use a lot.

If you look at BEWD text and compare it to BLS text it's practically identical.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" from your Deck.

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard.

So it's semi nomi and spear cretin affects it.

So which one is destroyed since they both flip at the same time?

Just got the ruling from Pojo: The turn player's Malefic would live in any situation like this.

Just got the ruling from Pojo: The turn player's Malefic would live in any situation like this.

wth @save, I told you the answer last night!

ytxpikachu wrote:

Just got the ruling from Pojo: The turn player's would live in any situation like this.

wth @save, I told you the answer last night!

Yeah, but I changed it slightly. And Hal wasn't sure.

If you control two Malefics, of which one was Booked beforehand, I don't think the Malefics would die WHILE Ceasefire is resolving, so purely theoretically, I think you would take the burn for both cards, and then afterwards one of them dies. (Owner's pick)

My arguments are Spirit Reaper's continuous effect destroying it AFTER the effect targeting him resolves, and Exodia not being able to win in the middle of an effect (suicide drawing with Super Rejunivation, drawing out your deck while having 5 Exodias in hand with the draws)

Tuvillo wrote:If you control two Malefics, of which one was Booked beforehand, I don't think the Malefics would die WHILE Ceasefire is resolving, so purely theoretically, I think you would take the burn for both cards, and then afterwards one of them dies. (Owner's pick)

Except that isn't what the OP is asking, even though it's pretty vague.

Badass_Bunny wrote:

Shinichi K. wrote:

Tcbskater wrote:Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

Only 1 Malefic can exist, on the field if 2 are flipped face up at the same time you choose which one you keep.

However if Skill Drain is on the field than it's possible to have 2 Malefics on the field.

What. Skill drain doesnt negate conditions. Skill drain will not allow multiple malefics.

N Harmonia wrote:

Badass_Bunny wrote:

Shinichi K. wrote:

Tcbskater wrote:Malefic Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

Only 1 Malefic can exist, on the field if 2 are flipped face up at the same time you choose which one you keep.

However if Skill Drain is on the field than it's possible to have 2 Malefics on the field.

What. Skill drain doesnt negate conditions. Skill drain will not allow multiple malefics.

The limiting effect is a continuous one.
So it will be negated on the field.

DefiniteOtaku wrote:

N Harmonia wrote:

Badass_Bunny wrote:

Shinichi K. wrote:

Tcbskater wrote: Cyber End Dragon cannot be Special Summoned by Spear Cretin's effect. He's a nomi, not a semi-nomi, meaning he can only be Special Summoned by his own effect, and none others.

To nitpick a bit:

He's a nomi monster which means he can't be Special Summoned "except by" its summoning condition.

As for flipping both Malefics face-up simultaneously (when such a situation occurs), it seems neither will be destroyed. I'm not sure on that one, though. Better if someone confirms.

Only 1 Malefic can exist, on the field if 2 are flipped face up at the same time you choose which one you keep.

However if Skill Drain is on the field than it's possible to have 2 Malefics on the field.

What. Skill drain doesnt negate conditions. Skill drain will not allow multiple malefics.

The limiting effect is a continuous one.
So it will be negated on the field.

You cannot summon a malefic if there is another face-up malefic on the field even with skill drain. However, if skill drain is active and there are multiple face down malefics, when they are flipped face up, they can stay. THAT is how it can allow for multiple.