Lance vs Limiter Removal

I attack directly with Machina Gearframe and activate Limiter Removal in the damage step, and my opponent chains Forbidden Lance. Now I know Gearframe doesn't get a boost by Limiter removal, and actually goes to 1000, but will limiter removal destroy Machina Gear Frame? No, right? Because I pass priority to them and then Lance resolves, but Limiter has already been passed.

Let me make sure, all the cards in this scenario are Forbidden Lance, Machina Gearframe, and Limiter Removal.

Going off of this ruling:

Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite: If you equip "Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite" to a monster that has been affected by "Limiter Removal", the monster is still destroyed during the End Phase by "Limiter Removal's" effect.

I'd say Machina Gearframe is still destroyed. I may be wrong, as that ruling leaves ambiguity as to when Metallizing Parasite was equipped; before or after Limiter Removal's activation.

Tcbskater wrote:Let me make sure, all the cards in this scenario are Forbidden Lance, Machina Gearframe, and Limiter Removal.

Going off of this ruling:

Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite: If you equip "Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite" to a monster that has been affected by "Limiter Removal", the monster is still destroyed during the End Phase by "Limiter Removal's" effect.

I'd say Machina Gearframe is still destroyed. I may be wrong, as that ruling leaves ambiguity as to when Metallizing Parasite was equipped; before or after Limiter Removal's activation.

That rule says if you equip it to a creature that's already affected by limiter removal, which means limiter removal was used on him then later they were equipped with the parasite. It does illustrate how the situation would work though.

If lance was chained to limiter removal (or activated some time before it and you still used limiter removal anyway) then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Your monster won't get boosted since it's immune to spells, and limiter removal only destroys monsters that were affected by its first effect.

Limiter removal effects Gearframe. I mean which is first to end, Lance or Limiter Removal, that is the question.

limier doesn't affect gearframe at all. Lance prevents that. So it isn't destroyed.

As dest said.
Gearframe never was affected by Limiter.

Phoenix Wright wrote:Lance makes you unaffected by spells, period.

And your monster would go to 2000, not 1000, but I assume that was a typo

Never have met someone contradicting himself in such a short post^^

dest wrote:limier doesn't affect gearframe at all. Lance prevents that. So it isn't destroyed.

I have so many people telling me the opposite, o.o. Well if Lance was chained to Limiter removal, Lance can't save Gearframe since it's a condition of Limiter removal? Arrrg so confusing lol.



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The ATK would go down to 2000, not to 1000

OBJECTION!

Seriously, learn how to count and not to contradict yourself.

ok, step by step:

Chain Link 1: Limiter - Text:

Double the ATK of all face-up Machine-Type monsters you control, until the end of this turn. During the End Phase, destroy all monsters that were affected by this effect.

Chain Link 2: Lance - Text:

Select 1 face-up monster on the field. Until the End Phase, it loses 800 ATK, but is unaffected by the effects of other Spell/Trap Cards.

You know, Lance resolve before Limiter. So Limiter can't affect it. And as you can see, limiter can only destroy monsters that were affected by it...

Gearframe would get his attack decreased by lance, then Limiter Removal would resolve without affecting Gearframe. During the End Phase, Gearframe was not affected by Limiter Removal, so Gearframe is not destroyed by it.

dest wrote:ok, step by step:

Chain Link 1: Limiter - Text:

Double the ATK of all face-up Machine-Type monsters you control, until the end of this turn. During the End Phase, destroy all monsters that were affected by this effect.

Chain Link 2: Lance - Text:

Select 1 face-up monster on the field. Until the End Phase, it loses 800 ATK, but is unaffected by the effects of other Spell/Trap Cards.

You know, Lance resolve before Limiter. So Limiter can't affect it. And as you can see, limiter can only destroy monsters that were affected by it...

As I had suspected. I had originally saw it this way, but when I went to look up Limiter Removal rulings, I ended up second guessing myself. >.> That's the 4th time today (I missed like 3 questions on a quiz today) I've made myself wrong because of second guessing.

Limiter Removal puts a condition on a monster, which was never put on a monster that is affected by Forbidden Lance.

First of all, the topic says Chalice
Next, the Pojo thread has a different scenario, which is what happens if you target a monster with Lance that has already been affected by Limiter Removal

In this case, Limiter Removal has not affected the monster yet, so it won't destroy it in the end phase

Unorthodoxical-Princ wrote:I attack directly with Machina Gearframe and activate Limiter Removal in the damage step, and my opponent chains Forbidden Lance. Now I know Gearframe doesn't get a boost by Limiter removal, and actually goes to 1000, but will limiter removal destroy Machina Gear Frame? No, right? Because I pass priority to them and then Lance resolves, but Limiter has already been passed.

priority has nothing to do with this scenario (since it hasn't been said).

Gearframe will not be affect by limited, aand thus cannot be destroyed by limited at the end phase.

If forbidden lance is activated at the end phase (or any time after limiter removal has resolved), the ocg says the monster will still die.

Priority exists in every move you made in a duel. Forgot the link to Key's topic, so I will let him post it.

Key wrote:First of all, the topic says Chalice
Next, the Pojo thread has a different scenario, which is what happens if you target a monster with Lance that has already been affected by Limiter Removal

In this case, Limiter Removal has not affected the monster yet, so it won't destroy it in the end phase

My bad I meant lance rofl. So what is it people? Will the monster die yes or no? I thought lance can't stop conditions placed on cards. A condition is that the monster must die. I also thought effects that end which linger can't be negated. Like you cannot negate doom lord effect after two turns.

BlackwingRa wrote:Priority exists in every move you made in a duel. Forgot the link to Key's topic, so I will let him post it.

Of course it does, but priority is not the reason behind whether or not Lance protects your monster from Limiter removal's destruction.

Key wrote:First of all, the topic says Chalice
Next, the Pojo thread has a different scenario, which is what happens if you target a monster with Lance that has already been affected by Limiter Removal

In this case, Limiter Removal has not affected the monster yet, so it won't destroy it in the end phase

Could you explain if it was already targeted by limiter removal what would happen if someone lance'd it? Still confused on that.

Ok nevermind I understand if Lance resolved first the monster doesn't die that makes complete sense. But how about if Lance was used after limiter resolves..

Tcbskater wrote:

dest wrote:ok, step by step:

Chain Link 1: Limiter - Text:

Double the ATK of all face-up Machine-Type monsters you control, until the end of this turn. During the End Phase, destroy all monsters that were affected by this effect.

Chain Link 2: Lance - Text:

Select 1 face-up monster on the field. Until the End Phase, it loses 800 ATK, but is unaffected by the effects of other Spell/Trap Cards.

You know, Lance resolve before Limiter. So Limiter can't affect it. And as you can see, limiter can only destroy monsters that were affected by it...

As I had suspected. I had originally saw it this way, but when I went to look up Limiter Removal rulings, I ended up second guessing myself. >.> That's the 4th time today (I missed like 3 questions on a quiz today) I've made myself wrong because of second guessing.

What "quiz"?

If you chain Lance to Limiter Removal, Lance will resolves 1st and prevent Limiter Removal to affect the monster, thus the monster will not be destroyed by Limiter Removal.

Okay so here's the outcome based upon what happened.

1) lance was chained to limiter: lance will resolve first so the monster does not get the atk boost and does not die at end phase

2) limiter was activated then lance was used later (simply put his atk went up then opponent later used lance): he dies at end phase

BlackwingRa wrote:If you chain Lance to Limiter Removal, Lance will resolves 1st and prevent Limiter Removal to affect the monster, thus the monster will not be destroyed by Limiter Removal.

Ok thanks.