Magic Cylinder

Should magic cylinder go unlimited?

Its at 2 right now and u still rarely see anyone using it.So no thanks.Though it can be bit of a suprise sometimes

ugh it can be bit of a suprise sometimes[/quote]

Last Format with limited Backrow Hate I ran these as tech's but now no not really.

With all the backrow hate, I don't see why not. It'd make it more incentive for people to run backrow and help prevent OTK plays while not empowering the defending player too much. I say it should be back as long as the S/T hate is up.

Burn decks become more annoying, keep it at 2 and I'm okay with it.

Having an Endless Decay out a 8k cause of megamorph then getting smacked by a cylinder kind of sucks. A situation but still it happens.

Juno23 wrote:Having an Endless Decay out a 8k cause of megamorph then getting smacked by a cylinder kind of sucks. A situation but still it happens.

1. Megamorph doubles ORIGINAL attack so it doesn't work with Endless Decay.

2. That's just you trying to overextend.

Magic cylinder hurts. I think it's good at two, maybe go down to one. It's just annoying and rarely used, not sure why people need two

Go down to two. It's sort of broken.

Boot camp wrote:Go down to two. It's sort of broken.

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It's already at 2 though

Miror B. wrote:

Boot camp wrote:Go down to two. It's sort of broken.

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It's already at 2 though

Maybe he meant one, or he just doesn't know wht he's talking about xD

why did he post a pic of hyperion if hes asking about cylinder?

raidou wrote:why did he post a pic of hyperion if hes asking about cylinder?

That's his signature lol.

Eliwood wrote:

raidou wrote:why did he post a pic of hyperion if hes asking about cylinder?

That's his signature lol.

why did he only ask about hyperion
WHY NOT WINGMAN?

CheyMcFly wrote:

Eliwood wrote:

raidou wrote:why did he post a pic of hyperion if hes asking about cylinder?

That's his signature lol.

why did he only ask about hyperion
WHY NOT WINGMAN?

Because the topic is for discussing how "life is like a duel" smiley face with sunglasses x2

when i click on a single card disc is normal to see a pic of the card didnt even notice wingman until later

i know is still of topic but why not edit the card pics like blackshadow did i like his sig with only abs zero art

Or just have a pro Broadway song as your signature.

No one except burn deck run this card anyway,and they already have 3 Dimension walls.

Miror B. wrote:

Juno23 wrote:Having an Endless Decay out a 8k cause of megamorph then getting smacked by a cylinder kind of sucks. A situation but still it happens.

1. Megamorph doubles ORIGINAL attack so it doesn't work with Endless Decay.

2. That's just you trying to overextend.

I didn't know that thanks for the info. And it was my buddy who it happened to.

ok thanks for your time guys you guys are irritated at my signature so i will change it later...

nero77 wrote:ok thanks for your time guys you guys are irritated at my signature so i will change it later...

I can crop it to show only the monsters, and make it side by side.

If you want it, that is.

OT: Game-winning card is game-winning. -1 sucks though.

It should stay at 2. I run it in quite a few decks mainly because I'm (as many of the younger duelists put it) from the ancient egypt era of duelists. And I like cards that are still useful that I had in my decks back when i played IRL. So it's not surprizing to see me run cards like dark hole, swords of revealing light, magic cylinders, and man-eater bug. Ahhhh man-eater bug. Saving my ass since 02 lol.

So... reason that duelist don't like to use Chaos number 39 utopia ray because of this and dimension wall...?

Even if this card went to three I really don't feel it would be ran.

To much destruction around.

Trap Heavy decks also have to fear Royal Decree so burn would lose in the side.

Nothing runs this except burn and nothing will run it if it went to 3 and it wont even boost them to any relevant part and is terrible in today's meta thanks to 2 MST + heavy.

Goes to 60.

ppl if you think in a way that Magic Cylinder is useless then you can never feel the Heart Of the Cards. It just won't get to you and you will end up raging on others who sack their cards just like that.

Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

I've only ever seen Magic Cylinder used twice outside of a burn deck, so weather it changes or not, I guess, we'll have to see what else is affected by the ban list. If Heavy stays and MST stays at 3, then it won't be a threat at all. Besides, D wall does exactly the same as cylinder in burn decks so not really a big difference.

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

Except it will.

It gives another stall and damage card that helps the burn player survive while burning the opponent.

Burn is a broken idea in the first place, I'd rather not make it better.

Miror B. wrote:

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

Except it will.

It gives another stall and damage card that helps the burn player survive while burning the opponent.

Burn is a broken idea in the first place, I'd rather not make it better.

A single extra cylinder burn and stall card wont do enough,not until ceasefire moves to X.

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

Except it will.

It gives another stall and damage card that helps the burn player survive while burning the opponent.

Burn is a broken idea in the first place, I'd rather not make it better.

A single extra cylinder burn and stall card wont do enough,not until ceasefire moves to X.

It will do something.

It's the same reason Marshmallon is @ 1. I'd rather not run into 3 1K burners every duel. Cylinder does more.

Miror B. wrote:

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

Except it will.

It gives another stall and damage card that helps the burn player survive while burning the opponent.

Burn is a broken idea in the first place, I'd rather not make it better.

A single extra cylinder burn and stall card wont do enough,not until ceasefire moves to X.

It will do something.

It's the same reason Marshmallon is @ 1. I'd rather not run into 3 1K burners every duel. Cylinder does more.

Marshmallon wasnt even used in brighton and wont see play because it hampers dimensional wall.

And it IS only one card,ONE card that wont boost consistency up from tier 3 to tier 1.

Its a mixed bag. The only decks that would consistently use this would be STALL burn decks. Chain burn is the complete opposite style for the most part.

Also, the biggest difference between this and Dimensional Wall is that this can possibly save a monster while DW needs to have a direct attack.

People say burn is bad for the game, but if that was the case burn decks would top. Let's face it, unless there is a FTK/ OTK involved burn isn't popular, same with Exodia.

Why? Because the meta has become too fast to allow a slower-paced strategy. Its the same reason while Swords of Revealing Light and Spirit Reaper have been increased to 2. They are trying to encourage players to include cards to slow down the meta without breaking it. Unfortunately, people are finding loops and loops to speed it back up *looks at Wind-Ups and Inzectors*.

I also have to mention if burn ever did get better and started topping it still wouldn't last very long with all the burn hate out their now that completely shuts it down.

Burn got burned!

It's fine where it is. Chain burn is obnoxious enough already.

I hate this card x_x always seems to be in the back row at the worst of times... I used to use it, but now a days... I don't really run it, but the people that do give me a surprise... at 2.... I don't see why people would run more than 2 anyway, so why not...

3 would be too too much. burn decks would wreck with that.

I run Dimensional Wall because grave dependancy. If it weren't for that then I might still main one of these.

Although after having a Cyber Twin Dragon run into two of these during the same Battle Phase I'm actually quite paranoid that there are still people who run this.

mido9 wrote:

Miror B. wrote:Guys, if this goes to 3 Burn decks become 1 card more consistent. It doesn't matter that it's the only deck that breaks it, that's like saying Shi En is balanced because Six Sams are the only deck that breaks it.

Stays @ 2

Burn sucks and hasnt topped in years except once with chain burn last month and a single magic cylinder wont do enough to make it any more competitive.

I don't think Topping is all that matters..

This card isn't broken, but at the same time is very strong, so while I think it should be at 3 on the banlist, I could easily see it being used at 2. My question is, when is the last time (outside of Chain Burn) have you seen burn decks top?

OverlordMMM wrote:This card isn't broken, but at the same time is very strong, so while I think it should be at 3 on the banlist, I could easily see it being used at 2. My question is, when is the last time (outside of Chain Burn) have you seen burn decks top?

Chain Burn.
Excluding the only thing that proves you wrong does not make you right.
If a single deck abuses a card, that card should be hit.

Chain Burn doesn't abuse the card, and it doesn't top that often, or even get close to it. When a consistent burn deck that is not OTK based tops consistently, then we can talk about semi-limits on burn cards/ enablers.

Frankly, that's why there were bans on Substitoad/ Mind Master. They enabled plays and all others were too inconsistent to be considered broken. And the others were a little slower paced.

At the very least there should be a test format in which Magic Cylinder is at 3.

*Facepalm*

3 Things...

Thing 1: Chain Burn doesn't need it, it chains cards hence the name. Unlike Cylinder which cant be chained, and requires an opponent to be stupid enough to attack u while u control a backrow.

Thing 2: This card is useless, and unless your playing a fun deck, do NOT run it, ever. Draining Shield is better(not really). What I mean is, the game is mostly about card advantage. Do you ask your self why is Ring of Destruction banned and this isn't? Well, that is because Ring is a +0(when you destroy your opponents monster ofc). Unlike Cylinder, which is a -1 in card advantage.

Thing 3: @1, 2 or even 3. Makes no difference, its still a useless card that generates no advantage what so ever. Magic Cylinder is nothing but a annoying card that sometimes may reduce your opponents LP to 0. It is just that, a finisher, and I believe that is the only reason that made KONAMI limit it in the 1st place.

The arguement for Cylinder being a -1 is invalid because most of the time you would have -1'd due to battle, although D Prison and other removal cards are superior

I run this to defend my Morphtronics, and there was a time when using this card was my only option (which worked, btw xD)

However, bringing it to 3 could be overkill. Burn decks break it, And having even 3 2000 ATK monsters bumping into this could put the attacker into a great disadvantage. And the fact that you can drop 4000 ATK monsters fast these days makes the surprise even worse.

Tbh, I believe the burn concept is great as long as it's not overused. Keep Cylinder at 2.

Heimdall wrote:I run this to defend my Morphtronics, and there was a time when using this card was my only option (which worked, btw xD)

Where is this world you live in, that doesn't contain D. Prison and Mirror Force?

Heimdall wrote:However, bringing it to 3 could be overkill. Burn decks break it, And having even 3 2000 ATK monsters bumping into this could put the attacker into a great disadvantage. And the fact that you can drop 4000 ATK monsters fast these days makes the surprise even worse.

LMAO! Disadvantage? LP =/= Advantage. Card advantage is the only advantage you should worry about. LP doesn't matter, its your last ones that count. Unless a card is a +1 or +0, then its useless. Again, Cylinder is only a finisher card.

Heimdall wrote:Tbh, I believe the burn concept is great as long as it's not overused. Keep Cylinder at 2.

People hardly run it now, who would bother run it at 3? Maybe a troll deck would, but otherwise; nope. 3, 2 or 1, it don't matter. If your a competitive player and you run any multiples or Cylinder, go edit your deck now, and replace all of the Cylinder found with D. Prisons. Your welcome.

^ Where did that come from? I DO use Mirror Force, and D. Prison is a waste of space in my deck. So yeah, you can take back that "Your welcome" because I didn't thank you. I like the way my deck is and won't suck the fun out of it by dropping other cards in there. Also, LP ALWAYS matters, not just in the end. It won't take much for the opponent to beat you if you just throw your LP away.

Magic Cylinder is a card that negates an attack AND inflicts damage, which is why I run it. I play defensively and just throwing 3 D. Prisons in there is not gonna help it.

And for the record, I don't try to be a competitive player, and realized that I won't be unless I run the current meta (or anti meta). And I don't. So save it for an expert.

Magic Cylinder is one of my favourite cards, because it turns defeat into victory and nobody sees it coming nowadays. That said, I think 2 is too much, let alone 3.