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Post  Red_Chaos 2012-01-24, 00:10

savage colosseum wrote:If a monster attacks, its controller gains 300 Life Points at the end of the Damage Step. All monsters must attack, if able. During the End Phase, destroy all face-up Attack Position monsters the turn player controls, that did not declare an attack.

messenger of peace wrote:Neither player can declare attacks with face-up monsters that have 1500 or more ATK. During each of your Standby Phases, pay 100 Life Points or destroy this card
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ok so when is a monster not considered "able"
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Post  Miror B. 2012-01-24, 00:14

A monster is not considered able when something is prohibiting it from attacking, such as a card effect or being in defense position. Messenger of Peace trumps all cards that try to force an attack.
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Post  Red_Chaos 2012-01-24, 00:17

so if i have a 1900 beatstick and messenger of peace and this savage is out not only can't i not attack but it doesn't get destroyed?
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Post  Miror B. 2012-01-24, 00:38

No that's not how it works. The second effect doesn't care if it is able to attack or not, all the second effect cares about is whether the monster attacked or not. If you have a 1900 beatstick in attack position at the End Phase that could not attack because of Messenger of Peace, it will still be destroyed by Savage Colosseum.
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Post  Red_Chaos 2012-01-24, 01:10

and this why i can't ever be a mod >.<

ok what if a weaker monster gets blocked by like a scarecrow that ends the battle phase?

since it declared does that count as attacking?
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Post  Yoko318 2012-01-24, 01:17

Since Swift Scarecrow doesn't negate the attack, it would be safe from Colosseum. However, any other monsters would still be destroyed, because the Battle Phase ended before they declared an attack.
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Post  S.S.A. 2012-01-24, 01:18

yea, it should still count
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Post  raidou 2012-01-24, 01:22

contradicting isnt it


if a monster declared att and has its att negated cant change position because its treated as having declared att


but savage colloseum has this ruling


After an attack has been declared, if the attack is stopped but not negated by an effect like "Gravity Bind", then the monster is still considered to have declared an attack, so the monster is not destroyed during the End Phase by "Savage Colosseum". However, if the monster's attack is negated by an effect like "Negate Attack", then the monster is not considered to have declared an attack, so the monster is destroyed during the End Phase.[3]
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Post  Miror B. 2012-01-24, 01:28

Yoko318 wrote:Since Swift Scarecrow doesn't negate the attack, it would be safe from Colosseum. However, any other monsters would still be destroyed, because the Battle Phase ended before they declared an attack.

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Pretty sure it negates the attack.
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Post  Yoko318 2012-01-24, 01:29

Oh, I guess so.

Oops. I remembered it wrong.

I suppose I was thinking Battle Fader.
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Post  Red_Chaos 2012-01-24, 01:35

so anytime i see the word negate i should say o shittalkmurshrooms?
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Post  Yoko318 2012-01-24, 01:54

basically. Smile
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