707 - Order of Chaos

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 13:48

Series 7 Volume 7

-On sale November 11
-Contains new cards used in the ZEXAL anime. In addition to more support cards for Xyz Summoning, it will also have support cards for old and new themes alike
-The cover monster is CNo.39 Kibouou Hope-Ray

Time for the world to end.

>Chaos
>Remember Invasion of Chaos?
>This is AFTER the new Ban List comes up

Uh-oh. Could ZeXal finally throw a big impact?

**zerods** 2011-07-31, 15:54

i think that xyz monsters are gonna do a great jump next to the new banlist, better monsters with greater effects than now, wish to it

**kangtuji** 2011-07-31, 17:48

>chaos

Do this mean we will have more formats other than Adv and Trads ?
*cough*IOC*cough* !

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 17:55

Nope, we're keeping those formats, but it seems like we're gonna POSSIBLY go through another shocker like Invasion of Chaos.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-07-31, 18:04

Well, following the Pack Rainbow, we shall see some DARK monsters that through the Meta-game into a hurricane.

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 18:06

Wait...

Green - DREV
Yellow - STBL
Red - STOR
Orange - EXVC
Blue - GENF
Purple - PHSW

Oh my gawd, we ARE at the Black pack already! D:

Now I'm scared for the White pack if the Black one already has "Chaos" written on it. Shocked

**Potus-Mat** 2011-07-31, 18:10

Johnny Raptor wrote:Wait...

Green - DREV
Yellow - STBL
Red - STOR
Orange - EXVC
Blue - GENF
Purple - PHSW

Oh my gawd, we ARE at the Black pack already! D:

Now I'm scared for the White pack if the Black one already has "Chaos" written on it.

Indeed. First Agents, then Destiny Heroes, then Lightsworns, then Infernities... Oh god... what lies ahead will kill everything.

**Roxzen** 2011-07-31, 19:52

Chaos End Ruler!

*world implodes*

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 19:54

... I'll post what I posted on Pojo's Order of Chaos Thread.

Johnny Raptor;22372798 wrote:I seriously doubt it's release, and I say it with all my heart. The card hasn't even been played at all. Unless Dr. Faker goes the Dimitri Route in GX and steals the "Legendary Deck" himself, the card will not even be played, nonetheless shown again in the anime. Plus, it was premiered in a filler episode where two thugs drag Shark with them to go steal it... and they failed doing so...

Doubt it's even going to see a mention outside of another filler episode.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-07-31, 22:53

Johnny Raptor wrote:... I'll post what I posted on Pojo's Order of Chaos Thread.

Johnny Raptor;22372798 wrote:I seriously doubt it's release, and I say it with all my heart. The card hasn't even been played at all. Unless Dr. Faker goes the Dimitri Route in GX and steals the "Legendary Deck" himself, the card will not even be played, nonetheless shown again in the anime. Plus, it was premiered in a filler episode where two thugs drag Shark with them to go steal it... and they failed doing so...

Doubt it's even going to see a mention outside of another filler episode.

I do not know; people keep complaining about Tengu and Shi En being broken. Perhaps Konami might wish to show them what broken truly is...

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 22:56

FINALLY! Someone on Pojo, Dark Evangel, who can read Japanese(amazing!) has finally told us why it's broken as hell.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=22376871&postcount=50

Read it, memorize it, and eat it.

TAKE THAT SOCIETY! D<

**Roxzen** 2011-07-31, 23:03

Johnny Raptor wrote:FINALLY! Someone on Pojo, Dark Evangel, who can read Japanese(amazing!) has finally told us why it's broken as hell.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=22376871&postcount=50

Read it, memorize it, and eat it.

TAKE THAT SOCIETY! D<

Silly shark, can't even take a lil bit of joke... Razz

What is this "pack rainbow you guys spoke of anyway?

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 23:05

No, it's just that I've been reading too much and kinda got sick of all the mentions of Chaos Ruler. >_<

I want discussions of his brokenness to dai! D<

And to answer your question, look at all the generations of packs and notice that they're color-coded in a pattern. Razz

**Potus-Mat** 2011-07-31, 23:10

Roxzen wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:FINALLY! Someone on Pojo, Dark Evangel, who can read Japanese(amazing!) has finally told us why it's broken as hell.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=22376871&postcount=50

Read it, memorize it, and eat it.

TAKE THAT SOCIETY! D<
Silly shark, can't even take a lil bit of joke...

What is this "pack rainbow you guys spoke of anyway?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Booster_Pack_Rainbow

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-07-31, 23:20

Phew, I'm glad a Pojo'er can read Japanese. Now if only we had members here who could read Japanese so nobody gets heart attacks because of a mistranslation. Razz

**TyagoHexagon** 2011-08-01, 03:25

When I read the effect of Chaos Ruler, I was like Shocked

,

and

by this order. Then I looked at te Trivia... its Forbidden in the Anime! That must be a first...

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-01, 06:25

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning was banned in the GX anime, iirc.

**zerods** 2011-08-01, 08:39

and chaos emperor dragon - envoy of the end on yugioh?
this pack + the new banlist are gonna make the xyz much better that are now

**Goddess nX** 2011-08-01, 09:23

Johnny Raptor wrote:Phew, I'm glad a Pojo'er can read Japanese. Now if only we had members here who could read Japanese so nobody gets heart attacks because of a mistranslation.

*coughs*

*Raises hand*

I know a little >_>

**CaiusTSR** 2011-08-03, 00:40

WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!ONE
I swear to the gods...
The person who thought of this must seriously have something against the universe.
I am so happy this will never see the light of day ever. If this card is ever made (not saying it will) and is on this level of broke, I will hunt every copy down and BURN THEM!

-phew-
OT: Can't wait to see what this set brings. I hope it introduces new level of broke Xyz so I could enjoy an era of ultra broke cards (I'm looking at you TeleDAD, Darkstrike, Synchro Cat.)

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-03, 00:56

Goddess nX wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:Phew, I'm glad a Pojo'er can read Japanese. Now if only we had members here who could read Japanese so nobody gets heart attacks because of a mistranslation.

*coughs*

*Raises hand*

I know a little >_>

....You don't count because lol. XP

**Adept VantageSP** 2011-08-03, 00:58

Johnny Raptor wrote:
Goddess nX wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:Phew, I'm glad a Pojo'er can read Japanese. Now if only we had members here who could read Japanese so nobody gets heart attacks because of a mistranslation.

*coughs*

*Raises hand*

I know a little >_>

....You don't count because lol. XP

Go on... elaborate.

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-03, 01:32

There's nothing more to it. It's for the Lulz. =p

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-08-03, 01:35

aww crap we're already at Black?

I put dibs that at least 1 card from this set is gonna get banned in recent future after its release

**bigduck123** 2011-08-03, 04:51

I dont like its name-Order of Chaos, its similiar to the Shining Darkness. What next? the Hot Ice or the Dry Water? but Im sure this set will have ton of broken cards

**DanceJonDanceCOPY** 2011-08-03, 05:17

707 is my area code O.o

**Roxzen** 2011-08-03, 05:19

bigduck123 wrote:I dont like its name-Order of Chaos, its similiar to the Shining Darkness. What next? the Hot Ice or the Dry Water? but Im sure this set will have ton of broken cards

Nah, not cool enough.

It should be related to space or physics of some sort.

Maybe something related to supernovas next. =D

**kangtuji** 2011-08-05, 00:23

Now I understand why konami named their pack with "Chaos" name in it

Definitly "Order of Chaos"
its all about Chaos deck again Sad

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t3776-xyz-exist#50133

**BERKAY** 2011-08-05, 07:37

I hope it's not full with weird cards. By the way this CNUmber 39: Utopia Ray is a new card or something like that. Utopia will optain new power at 18th episode.

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-05, 13:57

That's nothing new, berk. It's no new info, and yes CNo. 39 is a new card.

Oh, and a Pojo'er decided to call it "Chaos Number 39: Utopian Light" 8D

**Sheodon** 2011-08-05, 14:15

Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-05, 14:20

Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

**Sheodon** 2011-08-05, 14:28

Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

To be honest, I only liked the idea of the Sharks. Wind-Up is a dead idea from the start, they are slow and there is nothing so creative in them except that they need to be flipped up and down to make their effects use again, and I personally hate Evols since there is still another Dinosaur-archetype, the Jurracs, which could be supporter directly, but they aren't, and instead they created a semi-Dinosaur-related Archetype, which also slow and weak (Evoldos are needed to use to get Evoldars, but Evoldos are really weak, easy to destroy and they don't have real effects), and Evolkaisers, as it seems, can be Summoned without them, they only need Dinos.

But hearing that Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies will get supports is really good, both of them is in the favourite Archetype's list and already have the most important supports for them (CBs are semi-competitive now with Exceeds, Harpie Ladies still needs more...uhm... "Harpie Ladies").

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-05, 14:36

Harpie Ladies and their little "Rekindling" actually makes them entirely viable at the moment, but still highly inconsistent since Birdface only has 3 actual targets for his searching effect.

Heck, even Amazoness got viable through the Xyz.

Crystal Beasts need at least 3 new Monsters that have effects while they're in the S/T Zone, it'd seriously make up for their inability to use Traps effectively.

Evol's are actually pretty good. I've tested it, and I've managed to get out either Evolkaiser Ragia, or turn Evoldar Cerato + Ragia into Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon rather consistently.

Jurracs aren't weak now, they're manageable to Tier 2 since they can play control-style thanks to Ragia along with Royal Oppression, Solemn Brigade, and Seven Tools, etc. Plus they run ATK-Reduction cards, preventing beaters from running them over entirely. Although I'd wish they'd get support so I'm not forced to be tortured by the fact that Jurracs combined with Flamvells seems to be the most powerful they can get. =/ I mean, I run Jurracs in pure, but I'd hate to have to be forced to use Flamvells just to make them even better.

**Sheodon** 2011-08-05, 14:52

Little OFF: I rune Flamurracs, yeah, it's really fast (especially with cards like E-Con, Lance and BoM) but it's sad that it's one of the most unsupported archetypes in the whole Hidden Arsenal series. And I know that Evols are not that bad, but for me, Jurracs has more potential, and I'm a bit envy that they already have more supports than Jurrac has (useable ones).

I want to test my Flamurracs by adding some Rescue Rabbit to the Deck, maybe it'd make the Deck a bit faster.

For CBs, only 1 new Effect Monster (maybe a Semi-Nomi beatstick with a good effect, which could be Special Summoned by sending 1 CB from the S/T zone) AND 1 Exceed would be totally enough for them, especially if the Exceed could move overlay monsters to the S/T zone as Continuous Spells.

**TyagoHexagon** 2011-08-06, 03:22

The idea of "reviving" old archetypes is very good, they did just that with Photon Shockwave and Watts. Just hope they continue the idea in the following sets. Next...Batteryman, of course.

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-08-06, 03:55

Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

Oh gawd an archtype concept like CB could never be competitive unless they make something that actually protects CB's while in S/T Zone.

Harpie Ladies are also an archtype that I couldn't care less about I'd rather see some new things...

**Sheodon** 2011-08-06, 05:20

Badass_Bunny wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

Oh gawd an archtype concept like CB could never be competitive unless they make something that actually protects CB's while in S/T Zone.

Harpie Ladies are also an archtype that I couldn't care less about I'd rather see some new things...

Oh yeah, seeing and buying always new things is way better than keeping old concepts which already've been bought, and revamping them a bit. [/sarcasm]

Don't forget that most of the Tiers (not just Tier 1, but Tier 2 and Tier 3 too) are an already existing Archetype-centered Decks, but with some new cards (Agents, Six Samurais, Gravekeeper's, HEROes, Machina, Frog, Gladiator Beast etc.)

**kangtuji** 2011-08-16, 10:06

konami relase a pack with "CHAOS" in its name... and we got BLS

Coincodence much ?

**Potus-Mat** 2011-08-16, 10:32

kangtuji wrote:konami relase a pack with "CHAOS" in its name... and we got BLS

Coincodence much ?

It is the booster pack rainbow. We have reached the black pack, so the brokenness must commence!

**Dexla** 2011-08-21, 11:58

I always enjoyed chaos decks, so this should be fun. Only problem I have. Chaos end's effect. It's way too broken. They better nerf it just a bit for the card release. Also, Evil heroes need more support Sad

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**Zero2Hero** 2011-08-21, 12:21

Well, looks like Yugioh will get even more broken. I won't they know that just because they have the word Chaos in them, doesn't mean you have to make them over powered.

**J. D. Guy** 2011-08-21, 12:33

Emolga 0 wrote:Well, looks like Yugioh will get even more broken. I won't they know that just because they have the word Chaos in them, doesn't mean you have to make them over powered.

Isn't Chaos usually overpowering?

I can't wait for whats to come from
this set. Hopefully more Wind-Ups and
those new dinos. I'll also appreciate
any legacy support they choose to give.

**Chaos340** 2011-08-21, 12:50

Sheodon wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

To be honest, I only liked the idea of the Sharks. Wind-Up is a dead idea from the start, they are slow and there is nothing so creative in them except that they need to be flipped up and down to make their effects use again, and I personally hate Evols since there is still another Dinosaur-archetype, the Jurracs, which could be supporter directly, but they aren't, and instead they created a semi-Dinosaur-related Archetype, which also slow and weak (Evoldos are needed to use to get Evoldars, but Evoldos are really weak, easy to destroy and they don't have real effects), and Evolkaisers, as it seems, can be Summoned without them, they only need Dinos.

But hearing that Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies will get supports is really good, both of them is in the favourite Archetype's list and already have the most important supports for them (CBs are semi-competitive now with Exceeds, Harpie Ladies still needs more...uhm... "Harpie Ladies").

Wind-Up's are not slow, in fact i have a wind up deck that has beaten sabers, twilight and pure lightsworns. It's the way you build it, my build can spam at least 3 xyz's in a turn.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-08-21, 13:25

Chaos340 wrote:
Sheodon wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

To be honest, I only liked the idea of the Sharks. Wind-Up is a dead idea from the start, they are slow and there is nothing so creative in them except that they need to be flipped up and down to make their effects use again, and I personally hate Evols since there is still another Dinosaur-archetype, the Jurracs, which could be supporter directly, but they aren't, and instead they created a semi-Dinosaur-related Archetype, which also slow and weak (Evoldos are needed to use to get Evoldars, but Evoldos are really weak, easy to destroy and they don't have real effects), and Evolkaisers, as it seems, can be Summoned without them, they only need Dinos.

But hearing that Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies will get supports is really good, both of them is in the favourite Archetype's list and already have the most important supports for them (CBs are semi-competitive now with Exceeds, Harpie Ladies still needs more...uhm... "Harpie Ladies").
Wind-Up's are not slow, in fact i have a wind up deck that has beaten sabers, twilight and pure lightsworns. It's the way you build it, my build can spam at least 3 xyz's in a turn.

Wind-ups are like Scraps and Karakuri (and I do not just mean in appearance). Some people give up on them and go on to Six Samurais or whatever is the new Meta, and other people see the potential and build something fun and good. On topic, I believe that this will be the last Wind-Up pack for a long time, if only because there is a pattern. Scraps, for instance, started in The Duelist Revolution, had support in Starstrike Blast, and had their final cards in Storm Of Ragnarok, and Karakuri started in SB, were supported in SOR, and had their final cards in Extreme Victory. Logically, would Wind-ups and Evols not follow the same pattern. Oh, and as for revitalizing old archtypes, I ask you all this: who really wants to deal with Legendary Harpie Ladies?

**Johnny Raptor** 2011-08-21, 13:33

Replace "Stardust Overdrive" with "Starstrike Blast" so no one snipes you.

And Wind-Ups will be supported until the White Pack imho.

Oh, and CNo. 39 Aspiring King, Hope Ray + Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning is a pretty consistent combo now. o.o

Derp Storm/MST -> Derp a Hope onto the Field -> Chaos Xyz into Hope Ray -> Dump all Materials onto one enemy Monster -> Drop BLS -> BLS Double-Attacks for 6000, and then Hope attacks for 4000.

Total Damage: 10,000

The sad part is that it can flaming happen at any given time, and it'd actually work. That's just assuming Hope Ray's anime effect applies to the real world. >__>

**Dexla** 2011-08-21, 13:39

Chaos340 wrote:
Sheodon wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

To be honest, I only liked the idea of the Sharks. Wind-Up is a dead idea from the start, they are slow and there is nothing so creative in them except that they need to be flipped up and down to make their effects use again, and I personally hate Evols since there is still another Dinosaur-archetype, the Jurracs, which could be supporter directly, but they aren't, and instead they created a semi-Dinosaur-related Archetype, which also slow and weak (Evoldos are needed to use to get Evoldars, but Evoldos are really weak, easy to destroy and they don't have real effects), and Evolkaisers, as it seems, can be Summoned without them, they only need Dinos.

But hearing that Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies will get supports is really good, both of them is in the favourite Archetype's list and already have the most important supports for them (CBs are semi-competitive now with Exceeds, Harpie Ladies still needs more...uhm... "Harpie Ladies").
Wind-Up's are not slow, in fact i have a wind up deck that has beaten sabers, twilight and pure lightsworns. It's the way you build it, my build can spam at least 3 xyz's in a turn.

That;s because you use ultimate offering. If you have to use ultimate offering then your deck in not efficiently made.

Also, I hope they release xyz plant in order of chaos

**Potus-Mat** 2011-08-21, 14:01

Dexla wrote:
Chaos340 wrote:
Sheodon wrote:
Johnny Raptor wrote:
Sheodon wrote:Instead of adding some lame Wind-Up, Evol, and Sky Fish & Shark cards, and some other lame anime-related cards, why don't they just create a set where they'd be able to revamp old set by adding them new monsters, spells/traps and some Exceed Supports?

I know, the answer is "because it's Konami".

Those aren't lame, and they usually add legacy support whenever. Konami's about a year ahead of us, and Kevin himself mentioned Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies are at the top of their list of "Revisiting Old Anime Themes".

To be honest, I only liked the idea of the Sharks. Wind-Up is a dead idea from the start, they are slow and there is nothing so creative in them except that they need to be flipped up and down to make their effects use again, and I personally hate Evols since there is still another Dinosaur-archetype, the Jurracs, which could be supporter directly, but they aren't, and instead they created a semi-Dinosaur-related Archetype, which also slow and weak (Evoldos are needed to use to get Evoldars, but Evoldos are really weak, easy to destroy and they don't have real effects), and Evolkaisers, as it seems, can be Summoned without them, they only need Dinos.

But hearing that Crystal Beasts and Harpie Ladies will get supports is really good, both of them is in the favourite Archetype's list and already have the most important supports for them (CBs are semi-competitive now with Exceeds, Harpie Ladies still needs more...uhm... "Harpie Ladies").
Wind-Up's are not slow, in fact i have a wind up deck that has beaten sabers, twilight and pure lightsworns. It's the way you build it, my build can spam at least 3 xyz's in a turn.
That;s because you use ultimate offering. If you have to use ultimate offering then your deck in not efficiently made.

Also, I hope they release xyz plant in order of chaos

Exceed Gadgets says "Hi!", Dexla.

**J. D. Guy** 2011-08-21, 14:26

Chaos340 wrote:Oh, and as for revitalizing old archtypes, I ask you all this: who really wants to deal with Legendary Harpie Ladies?

I wouldn't mind, if it meant getting more legacy support,
and Harpie Lady support at that, I'd take it.

**Chaos340** 2011-08-21, 14:51

Crystal beasts need support, so much potential..

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