A SOLEMN WARNING (and some others negation) ruling you might not know.

So I haven't found rulings on this but can solemn warning negate continuous trap monster cards like Tiki curse, Tiki Soul, Zoma the spirit and metal reflect slime?

Lump of couch wrote:So I haven't found rulings on this but can solemn warning negate continuous trap monster cards like Tiki curse, Tiki Soul, Zoma the spirit and metal reflect slime?

Its effect Special Summons itself and activates, so yea. It's like negating Call of the Haunted, the summon isn't a continuous effect.

ok i understand this since it is negating but is it legal to ask your opponent his/her target if they are using reborn or something?

for monster reborn ? they are forced to tell you target on activation because it targets




but not with red eyes darknes metal dragon because it doesnt target

Update #50:
Renaming the title of thread...

Because sometimes my opp protest because they doesn't use solemn warning, but I give them "solemn warning" links

*Facepalm*

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This dude also tricked me said that FV doesn't start a chain, so I couldn't use gemini spark... ( I already suspicious but I haven't found the legit link to backup my suspicion )

And later I found out on wiki:
Both effects of "Future Visions" starts a Chain.[1]

*double facepalm*

Yea, I lose that game where I should've win

So what did he do there exactly? With Judgment? Explain the situation bit better.

Super poly neos alius + armor master = dao
Then he use torrential tribute
I counter with huge reversal
He flip solemn J.
and said he negated Dao (at first I though he negate huge revesal)

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Dunno if he understand or not, he set S. Jud again

after those argument, I realize it better to wipe field with torrential.. I forgot he got kalut already on hand because long argument about Future Vision makes me unable to use gemini spark, although I (suspect) FV using chains, and resolve backwards *insert copy paste about quick-spell here* + long explaining how chain resolves

Since at that moment I cann't find that FV start chain, I have no choice to follow his rule. (He claim he's french.. dunno why he mention it, since its nothing to do with rulings or basic knowledge how chaining works, etc )

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kangtuji: testing deck
kangtuji: gl
hudsonsantos: i know
hudsonsantos: gl too
hudsonsantos: eff
kangtuji: k
hudsonsantos: syncro
hudsonsantos: eff
kangtuji: which
kangtuji: k
hudsonsantos: wait
kangtuji: shell eff
hudsonsantos: ok
kangtuji has lost 500 life points
kangtuji has lost 400 life points
kangtuji: shell
kangtuji has lost 500 life points
kangtuji: and thunder dragon
kangtuji: wait
hudsonsantos: hey discard 2
hudsonsantos: you have 8 cards in your hand
hudsonsantos: ty
kangtuji: continue
hudsonsantos: you is English?
kangtuji: little little
kangtuji: summon good ??
hudsonsantos: eff
hudsonsantos: 2200 atvk
hudsonsantos: atck
kangtuji: you english ?
hudsonsantos: not
kangtuji: 1800 + 300 = 2100
hudsonsantos: i'm Brasilian
hudsonsantos: ok
kangtuji: i dunno.. in english 1800+300 = 2100 not 2200
hudsonsantos: sorry
hudsonsantos: ok
kangtuji: ok ?
hudsonsantos: ok
kangtuji: ok?
hudsonsantos: ok
hudsonsantos: eff lyla
hudsonsantos: syncro
hudsonsantos: eff
kangtuji has lost 2700 life points
kangtuji: fusion ok ?
hudsonsantos: wait
hudsonsantos: ok
kangtuji: cann't warning the monster

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hudsonsantos: can yeah
kangtuji: bosidian eff
hudsonsantos: wait
kangtuji: oh wait
kangtuji: warong monster
hudsonsantos: negate eff
hudsonsantos: e destroy
kangtuji: can not
hudsonsantos: aff
kangtuji: I alredy tokd cann't warning the monster
hudsonsantos: noob
kangtuji: http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t4215-a-solemn-warning-and-some-others-negation-ruling-you-might-not-know
hudsonsantos: !@#$ you
hudsonsantos has left the duel

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IS THIS WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WITH HIGH EXP ?

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AGAIN....

And I already ask if fusion was ok or not... this one rank : 1042/142

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Log

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Ego1: gl
kangtuji: gl
Ego1: gl
kangtuji: fusion ok?
Ego1: go
kangtuji: eff
Ego1 has lost 4000 life points
kangtuji: ?
kangtuji: can not
kangtuji: http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t4215-a-solemn-warning-and-some-others-negation-ruling-you-might-not-know
Ego1: it's judment
Ego1: not warning
kangtuji: same thing
kangtuji: other negation
kangtuji: can not negate the summon after you said ok to fusion spell
kangtuji: ?
Ego1: it say with warning
kangtuji: are u here ?
kangtuji: same thing
Ego1: there is no one word about judjment
kangtuji: lol
kangtuji: you didn't even click the link then
Ego1: i read all it
kangtuji: so how can you miss the whole point ? and there is a big section in TKRO/Solemn/Saber Hole/Lagiia/etc negation

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Log

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kangtuji: testing
gg.comei: ef
kangtuji: fusion spell ok ?
gg.comei: k
kangtuji: fusion spell ok ?
gg.comei: k
kangtuji: aquamarine eff
kangtuji: prism aura eff
gg.comei has lost 1700 life points
gg.comei has lost 1400 life points
gg.comei has lost 2450 life points
kangtuji: aquamrine eff
kangtuji has lost 3000 life points
gg.comei has lost 1225 life points
kangtuji: response ?
gg.comei: wait
kangtuji has lost 2500 life points
gg.comei: the monster
gg.comei: no send to grave?
kangtuji: yes ?
kangtuji: you cann't negate the summon from other card effect
kangtuji: you negate the spell card
kangtuji: not the monster
gg.comei: mm no
kangtuji: http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t4215-a-solemn-warning-and-some-others-negation-ruling-you-might-not-know
gg.comei: i negate the summon
kangtuji: can not

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gg.comei: i negate the special summon
kangtuji: in that case, you can not.. you have to negate the spell/trap card that causes the summon
kangtuji: now, shall we continue ? Any resposne to Return from DD ?
gg.comei: say me why
gg.comei: you no fusion summon..
kangtuji: uh what ?
kangtuji: its applies to special summon by other card effect
kangtuji: in general, you can not negate summon by other card effect
kangtuji: you have to negate the card that causes the summon, not the summon itself
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Jesus... what wrong with these people...
Do they doesn't believe the mods quote anymore...

*facepalm*

Hey what about this scenario,

Player a summons a lvl 1 normal monster
Player b activates solemn warning
Player a's lvl 1 normal monster is destroyed

Is that correct?

jacobskull wrote:Hey what about this scenario,

Player a summons a lvl 1 normal monster
Player b activates solemn warning
Player a's lvl 1 normal monster is destroyed

Is that correct?

It is...

I've never dueled in that area... But I was just thinking... You guys may already have it... But if you don't, why not make a preferred duelist list? You could make one where you could give players rep based on how fair and by the rules they play, and that way it would be possible to have duels where you don't see as much ragequits or ppl fighting over what's right and what's wrong. That way it would be easier to figure out the kind of person you are dueling... just to set expectations. That way, if you aren't dueling someone with a lot of rep/points, then you would skip the grief and maybe Kangtuji would be a little bit happier cause he doesn't have to deal with all of this.

*points to screenshots from kangtuji's posts*

exiled_force wrote:I've never dueled in that area... But I was just thinking... You guys may already have it... But if you don't, why not make a preferred duelist list? You could make one where you could give players rep based on how fair and by the rules they play, and that way it would be possible to have duels where you don't see as much ragequits or ppl fighting over what's right and what's wrong. That way it would be easier to figure out the kind of person you are dueling... just to set expectations. That way, if you aren't dueling someone with a lot of rep/points, then you would skip the grief and maybe Kangtuji would be a little bit happier cause he doesn't have to deal with all of this.

*points to screenshots from kangtuji's posts*

We've had rep already.
Ended horribly.

EDIT: Also, may I suggest adding a part that says you can negate Normal Summons? Yes it may seem unneeded, but apparently somebody started saying how this thread said you cannot negate a Normal Summon, probably cuz OP doesn't even mention Normal Summons.

Update 53-55 : Adding a table of contents
(wow... from such a simple card, these things evolving into such complex explaination....)

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Eh.... normal summons ?
Isn't it writtern already on the card... That shouldn't be something that confusing

Maybe I should add/create "Noteable Rulings"..

Thx for the idea, I'll keep what updates that necessary, given time and not feeling lazy

This video might explain better....
but then again... I am not native speaker

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( Should I edit & add this on first post ? Tell your opinion guys)

kangtuji wrote:Eh.... normal summons ?
Isn't it writtern already on the card... That shouldn't be something that confusing

I know it shouldn't, but somebody actually thought Warning couldn't negate Normal Summons because this topic didn't say it could. It made me lol.

Kk.... updating with small notes that Solemn Warning can negate Normal Summon and FLIP SUMMON
(Please don't get confused with flip that caused by an attack/battle/effect)

and I think I've somehow broke the layout ... its kinda messy now comparing from previous.

I just faced a guy running dragunities. I had fusilier f/d with deck devastation virus. He used mind control so I activated the virus. He ranted about how fusilier's stats are too low and rulings say I can't do that. So I copied/pasted the rulings word for word saying what I did was legal b/c fusilier's effect isnt active till he's face up and it's perfectly legal to send a face down monster to the gy for virus.

The specific example in the ruling "not even in the tips section, actually in the ruling section" states "While "Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast" is face-down, its effect is not applied, so its ATK is 2800. You can Set it without Tributes, and then Tribute it as a cost to activate "Deck Devastation Virus." He kept playing as if I made a misplay so I called an admin.

Then he left w/o saying anything yay for free 18 rating vs someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

kyros wrote:I just faced a guy running dragunities. I had fusilier f/d with deck devastation virus. He used mind control so I activated the virus. He ranted about how fusilier's stats are too low and rulings say I can't do that. So I copied/pasted the rulings word for word saying what I did was legal b/c fusilier's effect isnt active till he's face up and it's perfectly legal to send a face down monster to the gy for virus.

The specific example in the ruling "not even in the tips section, actually in the ruling section" states "While "Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast" is face-down, its effect is not applied, so its ATK is 2800. You can Set it without Tributes, and then Tribute it as a cost to activate "Deck Devastation Virus." He kept playing as if I made a misplay so I called an admin.

Then he left w/o saying anything yay for free 18 rating vs someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

So...how does this relate to Solemn Warning again?

So... is T.G. Halberd Cannon is work exactly like TKRO, Solemn Judgment and Horn of Black Heaven?

Hardly to see that monster...

1 Tuner Synchro Monster + 2 or more non-Tuner Synchro Monsters
This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Synchro Summon. Once per turn, while this card is face-up on the field, you can negate the Summon of a monster and destroy it. When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, you can select 1 "T.G." monster in your Graveyard, and Special Summon it.

Morelikely like TKRO / Roach... they can negate summon, but cann't negate spell/trap
And, remember you cann't negate summon caused by other card effect

I suddenly think there is solution for this problem, the solution is all people don't use those card, if they don't use those card, no problem will happen, everyone will happy because their summon of signature/ace monster won't be negated. =)

plsgiveme500k wrote:I suddenly think there is solution for this problem, the solution is all people don't use those card, if they don't use those card, no problem will happen, everyone will happy because their summon of signature/ace monster won't be negated. =)

Good luck with that.

Thanks for the article.

I dueled a player and when I destroyed his Karakuri Nisamu, I activate Solemn Warning to negate the search. He special summons Ninishi & I tell him it returns to deck instead of the grave (he used Monster Reborn to summon it on his turn).

We argue for a while & I even show him rulins & he refuse and tell me I solemn Ninishi instead. I explain it to him & he continue insulting me (the F-Word, Jobber, laughing like an idiot & insulting my mother...) & he decided finally to leave.

I should have linked him to your thread (Good job once again ).

The problem is he have high rating/Exp & played a lot of games :

Spoiler:

What's up with all these players that don't know "basic" rulings ? He must be the 3rd I encounter just today.

Sorry if my post doesn't belong in this thread. I'll delete it if that's the case.

Thank you for posting this Kangtusi. I love to play Ritual Monsters and I cannot tell you how many times someone tried to Solemn Warning when the Ritual Monster hit the field instead of when the Spell card was activated. I tried linking this page to someone, but most people dismiss it by saying it's not an official source. Is there a webpage I can find where Konami talks about this ruling at all?

Well... you can try linking to other thread by dest
http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t2754-ruling-faq-clearing-up-the-most-confusable-rulings#ssneg

or Give Them wiki ruling page for solemn warning
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Solemn_Warning

Problem2 wrote:Thank you for posting this Kangtusi. I love to play Ritual Monsters and I cannot tell you how many times someone tried to Solemn Warning when the Ritual Monster hit the field instead of when the Spell card was activated. I tried linking this page to someone, but most people dismiss it by saying it's not an official source. Is there a webpage I can find where Konami talks about this ruling at all?

Just tell them to provide their own source, and if they can't they have no backing while you do.

http://forum.tcgplayer.com/showthread.php?273176-The-Official-Uria-Discussion-Thread&p=2919033#post2919033

Oppression Stops Trap Monsters.
It's the wording on Warning which prevents it from hitting Trap monsters.
"Negate the Special Summon of a Monster or the ACTIVATION of an effect that special summons a monster" The second clause means because a Trap monster is already activated, then special summons the monster onto the field it'll miss the restrictions of being a Solemn Warning Target.
THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS EXAMPLE IS SHOWN IN OUR TYPICAL META IS: an already activated Future Fusion & Infernity Launcher.

Oppression is all powerful and hits just about anything that special summons. It has no restrictions in that sense besides its spell speed.

This is what the guy says and he says in the article which is here: http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=2643

He claims Konami confirmed that continuous trap monsters cannot be solemn warning'd. Now it seems to make sense to me but i need to find a more credible source or more confirmation because i am going to a regionals this saturday and need to know this stuff b4 then or else ill be walking in there with my pants down.

HTML disabled.... post format ruined.


Well, going to fix that later... but definitly not now
Maybe tommorow...
maybe next week...
who knews

Can't read post; eyes burning.

Scryed2007 wrote:http://forum.tcgplayer.com/showthread.php?273176-The-Official-Uria-Discussion-Thread&p=2919033#post2919033

Oppression Stops Trap Monsters.
It's the wording on Warning which prevents it from hitting Trap monsters.
"Negate the Special Summon of a Monster or the ACTIVATION of an effect that special summons a monster" The second clause means because a Trap monster is already activated, then special summons the monster onto the field it'll miss the restrictions of being a Solemn Warning Target.
THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS EXAMPLE IS SHOWN IN OUR TYPICAL META IS: an already activated Future Fusion & Infernity Launcher.

Oppression is all powerful and hits just about anything that special summons. It has no restrictions in that sense besides its spell speed.

This is what the guy says and he says in the article which is here: http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=2643

He claims Konami confirmed that continuous trap monsters cannot be solemn warning'd. Now it seems to make sense to me but i need to find a more credible source or more confirmation because i am going to a regionals this saturday and need to know this stuff b4 then or else ill be walking in there with my pants down.

I'm not sure what this post is saying.

The effect of Trap Monsters summons them at activation. Warning can negate them because of this.

Launcher does not summon activate on summon. It then activates it's effect later while it is already face up.

There is no reason at all that Warning should not negate Trap monsters.

https://imgur.com/YzCy9
SOLEMN WARNING DOES NOT MAGICALLY NEGATE EVERYTHING BEING UNABLE TO RESUMMON

Kids nowadays doesn't even knew what is normal summon anymore, where did they got such high ranks ? Damn, really ! Rank system are useless

>>1000++ (1117/670 to be extact)
>>Doesn't know a ruling
>>Must be a netdecker

fix'ed that for you
understandable for low rank, or they trying new card...
but for overusing card ? seen on daily bases ?