Chaos Sorcerer Ruling Conflict between admin (Amaretsu)

**jon404** 2011-09-07, 16:37

Chaos Sorcerer Ruling Conflict between admin (Amaretsu) Zblp2b

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What is the correct ruling for Chaos Sorcerer, to be special summoned from Grave?

I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, then admin came in and booted me off the server.I summoned it right the first time.....

Amaretsu was pretty rude himself, kicking me out the duel and getting smart with me by saying 'Nice Try', and not caring about what I say.

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-07, 16:45

Wow i like his Talking
"I know the rulings Dont back talk to staff"

Seems like a meany

**jon404** 2011-09-07, 16:48

Pineapplemonster wrote:Wow i like his Talking
"I know the rulings Dont back talk to staff"

Seems like a meany

the fact that he become a staff member 3 days ago makes it hilarious.
http://screensnapr.com/v/nSfgux.png

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-07, 16:49

Thats probably why, But you were right about the summoning thing

**Goddess nX** 2011-09-07, 16:51

UGHHH why do these people give us admins a bad name *Facepalm*

Seriously this is getting ridiculous

**KaousFaustXIII** 2011-09-07, 16:52

Epic. I just found my sig.

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-07, 16:57

Cause when they get the power they think they win everything

**SpaceJam** 2011-09-07, 16:57

Wow no wonder Pikachu wants to fire some admins.

Chaos Sorcerer is a semi-nomi monster. It can only be special summoned by other cards if it was special summon by its own effect or requirement correctly and successfully the first time. Simple as that. -_______-

**dest** 2011-09-07, 17:02

jon404 wrote:I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, [...]

you can't do that. Such monsters can only be special summoned from the hand by that condition. Else you have to use other cards such as monster reborn to revive them.

**jon404** 2011-09-07, 17:06

Honestly, admins should be voted on....

People like that shouldn't even come close to being an admin....

Also I want the points that I lost from him kicking me out the duel... I was pretty pissed.

dest wrote:
jon404 wrote:I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, [...]
you can't do that. Such monsters can only be special summoned from the hand by that condition. Else you have to use other cards such as monster reborn to revive them.

Chaos Sorcerer Ruling Conflict between admin (Amaretsu) H2fuiy

**dest** 2011-09-07, 17:08

man, read what he wrote. He wanted to ss sorc from the grave by banishing 1 dark and 1 light...
you can't do that Wink

**KaousFaustXIII** 2011-09-07, 17:09

dest wrote:
jon404 wrote:I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, [...]
you can't do that. Such monsters can only be special summoned from the hand by that condition. Else you have to use other cards such as monster reborn to revive them.

huh, could've sworn that part wasn't there before or i completely missed it... anyway @jon if this is what you're trying to do then you cant do that. If an effect monster does not specify from where it would be special summoned, it automatically means from the hand. If it can be special summoned from the graveyard then it would say so.

Still the way that mod talked was fun, im gonna make a comic strip of it and put "okay guy" at the last panel Very Happy

watch out for it Wink

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-07, 17:11

You cant SS with its own effect but you can SS from the grave with other effects Like Dark Creator or monster reborn, But still the mod was wrong

**jon404** 2011-09-07, 17:14

KaousFaustXIII wrote:
dest wrote:
jon404 wrote:I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, [...]
you can't do that. Such monsters can only be special summoned from the hand by that condition. Else you have to use other cards such as monster reborn to revive them.

huh, could've sworn that part wasn't there before or i completely missed it... anyway @jon if this is what you're trying to do then you cant do that. If an effect monster does not specify from where it would be special summoned, it automatically means from the hand. If it can be special summoned from the graveyard then it would say so.

Still the way that mod talked was fun, im gonna make a comic strip of it and put "okay guy" at the last panel watch out for it

if he explained that there wouldn't be an issue.... He just said 'No' and kicked me out the duel.

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-07, 17:16

Wow now that you say that hes even more of a meany.
You asked a question about ruling. The mod says no with out even explaining it and kicks you, How nice

**Sheodon** 2011-09-07, 17:26

We've already resolved the problem. Homer, you're slow.

By the way, the behaviour, the attitude of the admin was really irrelevant. Instead of helping or guiding the beginner player, he was just arrogant and kicked him from the game without explaining anything. How nice.

EDIT: one more thing. The first picture is a bit confusing, because it seems that you wanted to Summon Chaos Sorcerer in the... normal method, by SSing it with other card, like Call of the Haunted. Copying the whole story here will be a bigger help next time. But I hope there won't be next time.

**kangtuji** 2011-09-07, 21:32

Why my post are being deleted ?

I am saying the truth that you could got banned for something that you didn't actually do Neutral

You are very lucky OP, you'll never know what those power abuser could do

**nelynel12** 2011-09-07, 21:42

It does give us bad names. He should at least check the rulings first. But, sometimes being a mod is very stressful and sometimes you have to be firm. (no justification)

**Pharaoh Atem** 2011-09-08, 12:24

It is the responsibility of admins to answer vague questions in ways that force the player to give more details.

Not only was the admin's attitude too haughty for me to tolerate; he didn't even do what's necessary to properly resolve the matter.

**3E-hero neos** 2011-09-08, 14:10

Look,

If you tried to summon it from the grave with a card as Call of the Haunted, Monster Reborn etc, then it's possible when it was properly summoned before(banishing a LIGHT and DARK from your grave).

If you tried to properly summon it from your grave while using Call of the Haunted. While it wasn't summoned properly, then you cannot do that because like I said, it has to be properly summoned, and then you don't banish any monster to re-summon it with a card effect.

I'm kind of confused which of the 2 you did, since you wrote:

I wanted to special summon Chaos Sorcerer from grave by banishing 1light/1dark, then admin came in and booted me off the server.I summoned it right the first time.....

You're saying: you wanted to re-summon it from the grave when it was properly summoned by banishing a LIGHT and DARK. Now this is saying you're not using a card effect but trying to summon it with itself without an effect.

Thing is, monsters like Chaos Sorcerer(Semi-Nomi monsters). Once properly Special Summoned, they can be Special Summoned from the Grave or Banish pile with a card effect, their summoning conditions are nothing to revive them, since they just can't.

I hope people read this because I do get why there's so much confusion here 0.0.

**KaousFaustXIII** 2011-09-08, 14:22

that has already been established since the 5th post.

the point is how the mod in question handled the situation and what can be done to about this (if any)

**Adept VantageSP** 2011-09-08, 14:43

Wow, that admin went into defense mode very quickly xd.

I know this has already been said, but just to summarize:

Chaos Sorcerer must be properly summoned first in-order for it to be eligible to be special summoned from the grave. If his summon was negated, that doesn't count as a proper summon (since it wasn't successful). You must first fulfill his summoning requirements to have him special summon-able from the grave or RFG (his summon must also be successful). Once you fulfill his requirements and special summon him properly once you do not have to fulfill those requirements again. So Monster Reborning it is fine, you do not need to banish 2 cards for its cost, since it was already paid for.

That admin should have asked you if it was properly special summoned first instead of jumping to conclusions. I agree with Goddess, these new admins are starting to make us look bad.

**LegendaryFrost** 2011-09-08, 14:56

Most DN in-game staff are noobs, i mean I can saw that just from seeing this. When Chaos sorcerer(CS) is properly summoned by removing a LIGHT and DARK from the grave, and is then sent to the grave by any means, it can be summoned from the grave by Reborn, Call of the Haunted, etc.

**KaousFaustXIII** 2011-09-08, 15:37

im starting to wonder how exactly you screen applicants for moderator positions... its definitely not based on game knowledge apparently, nor experience since we see a lot of mods that we have never seen anywhere else, nor activity since we all know some mods that barely appear in-game, nor dedication since i've seen so much regular players in DN helping others...

maybe just choose from a queue and simply dismiss them when necessary?

hmm :/

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-09-08, 15:39

"We" don't chose them Head-admins do, so you're asking the wrong people.

**Adept VantageSP** 2011-09-08, 15:59

BB is right, us non-senors have no say in who is admin/mod or not. Although I think after all this stupidity regarding the quality of new mods/admins I think they should be chosen more carefully and tested a bit better.

**Ultimate lol** 2011-09-08, 16:08

Whel it supprised me how easy I became an admin.
Don't get me wrong I think I'm kwalified for the job, but it didn't take more then a short interview and a good word from a real live admin friend.
I atleast expected some kind of ruling situation test to be honest.
But I gues we are always in need for more admins so giving somebody a shot does not seem to be a bad thing.

**KaousFaustXIII** 2011-09-08, 16:15

Ultimate lol wrote:Whel it supprised me how easy I became an admin.
Don't get me wrong I think I'm kwalified for the job, but it didn't take more then a short interview and a good word from a real live admin friend.
I atleast expected some kind of ruling situation test to be honest.
But I gues we are always in need for more admins so giving somebody a shot does not seem to be a bad thing.

i think you just answered my question '')/

also i read TamA mentioned something about judge-training/test of some sort somewhere, maybe they should let all existing mods take that '')/

**Adept VantageSP** 2011-09-08, 16:16

Ultimate lol wrote:Whel it supprised me how easy I became an admin.
Don't get me wrong I think I'm kwalified for the job, but it didn't take more then a short interview and a good word from a real live admin friend.
I atleast expected some kind of ruling situation test to be honest.
But I gues we are always in need for more admins so giving somebody a shot does not seem to be a bad thing.

I would prefer quality over quantity. I know we are in need of more admins, but if lackluster admins keep getting hired it will only cause more problems then it solves. (By the way, I am not directing this at you).

**Ultimate lol** 2011-09-08, 16:26

vantagesp wrote:
I would prefer quality over quantity. I know we are in need of more admins, but if lackluster admins keep getting hired it will only cause more problems then it solves. (By the way, I am not directing this at you).

No worries.

I wouldn't mind to get tested once in a while. At least that seems to be the most obvious way to see if a mod can do his job or not. Or at least tested when hired.

**kangtuji** 2011-09-12, 21:11

Do this rulings apllies same to "BLS-EOTB" ?
Because lots time my opp won't allowed me to special summon it.

And.... in case,
A) I banished BLS-EOTB from graveyard, can I special summon it ?
B) I returned banished BLS-EOTB from Banished Zone back to deck...

Can I still spec summon it ?

**inderp** 2011-09-12, 21:32

kangtuji wrote:Do this rulings apllies same to "BLS-EOTB" ?
Because lots time my opp won't allowed me to special summon it.

And.... in case,
A) I banished BLS-EOTB from graveyard, can I special summon it ?
B) I returned banished BLS-EOTB from Banished Zone back to deck...

Can I still spec summon it ?

Yes they would apply to BLS-EOTB. IF you special summon it following it's condition where you removed a dark and a light when it was first summoned and it left the field after you had fulfilled those conditions.

A) I am pretty sure this is a yes.
B) About 99% sure you can not special summon it, if it returns back to the deck, again unless you fulfilled the summoning conditions.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, and correct my terminology too as I believe I used condition out of context here.

On topic: That's really odd for an admin to do such a thing. I've had decent-really well experiences with admins when I needed help.

**LegendaryFrost** 2011-09-12, 22:13

inderp wrote:
kangtuji wrote:Do this rulings apllies same to "BLS-EOTB" ?
Because lots time my opp won't allowed me to special summon it.

And.... in case,
A) I banished BLS-EOTB from graveyard, can I special summon it ?
B) I returned banished BLS-EOTB from Banished Zone back to deck...

Can I still spec summon it ?

Yes they would apply to BLS-EOTB. IF you special summon it following it's condition where you removed a dark and a light when it was first summoned and it left the field after you had fulfilled those conditions.

A) I am pretty sure this is a yes.
B) About 99% sure you can not special summon it, if it returns back to the deck, again unless you fulfilled the summoning conditions.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, and correct my terminology too as I believe I used condition out of context here.

On topic: That's really odd for an admin to do such a thing. I've had decent-really well experiences with admins when I needed help.

If BLS/CS or any semi-nomi monster is PROPERLY summoned, then it can be summoned from the grave and RFG by any means(Different Dimension Reincarnation or Call of the Haunted). However if that semi-nomi monster is returned to the hand or deck, whether summoned properly or otherwise, it must be properly summoned again(if BLS is summoned and then returned to the deck by Pheonix Wing Wind Blast or Penguin Soldier). This should clear things up.

**raidou** 2011-09-12, 22:23

is ghost ship text the new text for this type of summons?

Cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. Must first be Special Summoned (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT monster from your Graveyard.

**TamACOPY** 2011-09-12, 22:23

raidou wrote:is ghost ship text the new text for this type of summons?

Cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. Must first be Special Summoned (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT monster from your Graveyard.

Yes. Also, LegendaryFrost is correct about the summoning questions.

**The Dubstep Dealer** 2011-09-12, 23:18

Who deleted my comment >:l

**Amaretsu** 2011-09-17, 11:08

Look everyone!

I do my best to try and help. I take care of tons of different rulings every day, so it can be hard to just concentrate on one. Also, I noticed that this was in the "Ruling Questions" forum. This topic is more like a "get some admin fired" topic. Every staff makes mistakes sometimes. Even pikachu can't give you everything you want. Therefore, just because I'm one of the newest staff members doesn't mean you can just go right ahead and pick on me.

Jon404: I noticed some quotes you were saying earlier that even people who replied to this topic thought it wasn't actually me who said it. They are right. Don't go changing your words about what I said just so you can get some sympathy and think that I'm the dumbest kid around. I can't tell you how I got staff exactly, but pikachu picked me. So if you're trying to prove that I'm the dumbest staff member ever, then you might as well go up to pikachu right now and call him dumb as well. Pikachu is a great man. He picks staff just right and even he notices mistakes. Therefore, from now on, don't go picking on the new staff here, just talk to some other staff and they'll deal with it. Remember, I haven't even been staff for 2 weeks so I still have some stuff to learn although I know most of the rulings I have been through. Otherwise, I'm sorry for the way I talked and for getting your ruling wrong.

**Goddess nX** 2011-09-17, 11:13

Amaretsu wrote:Look everyone!

I do my best to try and help. I take care of tons of different rulings every day, so it can be hard to just concentrate on one. Also, I noticed that this was in the "Ruling Questions" forum. This topic is more like a "get some admin fired" topic. Every staff makes mistakes sometimes. Even pikachu can't give you everything you want. Therefore, just because I'm one of the newest staff members doesn't mean you can just go right ahead and pick on me.

Jon404: I noticed some quotes you were saying earlier that even people who replied to this topic thought it wasn't actually me who said it. They are right. Don't go changing your words about what I said just so you can get some sympathy and think that I'm the dumbest kid around. I can't tell you how I got staff exactly, but pikachu picked me. So if you're trying to prove that I'm the dumbest staff member ever, then you might as well go up to pikachu right now and call him dumb as well. Pikachu is a great man. He picks staff just right and even he notices mistakes. Therefore, from now on, don't go picking on the new staff here, just talk to some other staff and they'll deal with it. Remember, I haven't even been staff for 2 weeks so I still have some stuff to learn although I know most of the rulings I have been through. Otherwise, I'm sorry for the way I talked and for getting your ruling wrong.

Im not trying to bust your bubble Amaretsu, because we've played each other a couple of times and I thought you're a good guy but

If you cant handle the stress of being an admin then you really aren't fit to be one. Sure you might have gotten the ruling wrong. But what you said after was rude and inexcusable. Something like that should never happen. EVER.

**Amaretsu** 2011-09-17, 11:15

Alright Flower, thanks for the help. Now I believe the topic is truly solved.

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