Obelisk The Tormentor

You must Tribute 3 monsters to Normal Summon this card (you cannot Set this card). The Normal Summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. This card cannot be targeted by Spells, Traps, Spell/Trap effects, or Effect Monster effects. If this card is Special Summoned, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. You can Tribute 2 monsters to destroy all monsters your opponent controls. This card cannot declare an attack the turn this effect is activated.

Does that mean the whole turn it was summoned?

So say there is a Reborn tengu on the field and i summon Obelisk and destroy it does it get its effect?

read the card text

says WHEN THIS CARD IS NORMAL SUMMONED thats your answer


you cant use cards or effects in response to the summon but after that you can

Pineapplemonster wrote:You must Tribute 3 monsters to Normal Summon this card (you cannot Set this card). The Normal Summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. This card cannot be targeted by Spells, Traps, Spell/Trap effects, or Effect Monster effects. If this card is Special Summoned, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. You can Tribute 2 monsters to destroy all monsters your opponent controls. This card cannot declare an attack the turn this effect is activated.

Does that mean the whole turn it was summoned?

So say there is a Reborn tengu on the field and i summon Obelisk and destroy it does it get its effect?

When this card is Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. = Cards and effects cannot response to this card's Normal Summon.

can obelisk destroy with dark hole..???

Why not? Dark Hole doesn't target, obviously. )

but dark hole eff "Destroy all monsters on the field" the target all monster.
so how...???

Target in Yu-Gi-Oh isn't like that, usually if a card targets, it will says that in the card text (and that's for the new card text only), for the old card text, you must look up to know if it targets or not.

Yea he can get killed by dark hole sense it doesnt target him. but if you want him to not die and be a real god tribute summon him with http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hardened_Armed_Dragon

dafy wrote:but dark hole eff "Destroy all monsters on the field" the target all monster.
so how...???

It doesn't target. All Dark Hole says is "Hurr durr die monsters!!!". Mass Destruction like that (Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, Lightning Vortex, etc." do not target.

And @BlackwingRa: You can actually tell with the old card text whether a card targets. If it specifies a certain number of cards on the field or Graveyard, it targets those cards. Only exception is a card like Trishula that effects the hand at the same time, because you cannot target cards in the hand, no ifs, ands or buts. You also cannot target a card in the deck.

So since Dark Hole doesn't specify some kind of number and just says all, it does not target. Since Junk Destroyer specifies some kind of numer (equal to the number of non-tuners in the synchro), it targets those monsters. Since Spirit Reaper effects a card in the hand, it does not target. And since Giant Rat selects a card from the Deck, it does not target.

Any questions class?

Miror B. wrote:

dafy wrote:but dark hole eff "Destroy all monsters on the field" the target all monster.
so how...???

It doesn't target. All Dark Hole says is "Hurr durr die monsters!!!". Mass Destruction like that (Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, Lightning Vortex, etc." do not target.

And @BlackwingRa: You can actually tell with the old card text whether a card targets. If it specifies a certain number of cards on the field or Graveyard, it targets those cards. Only exception is a card like Trishula that effects the hand at the same time, because you cannot target cards in the hand, no ifs, ands or buts. You also cannot target a card in the deck.

So since Dark Hole doesn't specify some kind of number and just says all, it does not target. Since Junk Destroyer specifies some kind of numer (equal to the number of non-tuners in the synchro), it targets those monsters. Since Spirit Reaper effects a card in the hand, it does not target. And since Giant Rat selects a card from the Deck, it does not target.

Any questions class?

*Raises hand* I have one. Why are some people these days blind? Even me, a noob with the cards out today knows the difference between targeting and otherwise.

1) They never read Manga or watch Anime.

2) They never play PC Game like Joey The Passion.

Miror B. wrote:So since Dark Hole doesn't specify some kind of number and just says all, it does not target. Since Junk Destroyer specifies some kind of numer (equal to the number of non-tuners in the synchro), it targets those monsters. Since Spirit Reaper effects a card in the hand, it does not target. And since Giant Rat selects a card from the Deck, it does not target.

And now you can also explain the difference between Stratos/Saber Slash (which do not target) and Destroyer (which targets)

Spoiler:

dest wrote:

Miror B. wrote:So since Dark Hole doesn't specify some kind of number and just says all, it does not target. Since Junk Destroyer specifies some kind of numer (equal to the number of non-tuners in the synchro), it targets those monsters. Since Spirit Reaper effects a card in the hand, it does not target. And since Giant Rat selects a card from the Deck, it does not target.

And now you can also explain the difference between Stratos/Saber Slash (which do not target) and Destroyer (which targets)

Spoiler:

Because they both destroy at resolution, the difference is that Destroyer's number is specified by the number of Synchro materials, which is determined before he even hits the field. He doesn't look anywhere for those Synchro Materials, he just knows.

Stratos however, looks at the field for the number of cards it destroys. It is not a set amount because the field is susceptible to change before he can resolve. Same with Saber Slash, they are not certain of how many they will destroy on activation and as such, cannot select anything before resolution.

It's mostly cuz targeting is a cost, and Sratos doesn't calculate the number in time to target.

you are wrong about dark hole if obelisk is the only monster it is the target no questions asked i have a friend who has both versions of the two legal god cards i used dark hole obelisk was the only monster did not work it can work if and only if you opponent who has obelisk on the field and another monster

Ovan_Is_Tri_Edge wrote:you are wrong about dark hole if obelisk is the only monster it is the target no questions asked i have a friend who has both versions of the two legal god cards i used dark hole obelisk was the only monster did not work it can work if and only if you opponent who has obelisk on the field and another monster

This is so wrong that you should get infracted for trying to spread bad information like this.

Dark Hole NEVER targets. It destroys every monster on the field and it doesnt care if you have one monster or five.

Is this guy a troll?

Cards like "Dark Hole", "Mirror Force", "Lightning Vortex" and "Raigeki" do not target, because the player does not specify which cards will be affected - rather, it destroys all monsters, regardless of whether or not the monsters were on the field at activation

Dark hole WILL kill Obelisk. It just says Destroy all monsters on the field, even if Obelisk is the only one on the field he will still die. Same thing with Mirror Force, Lighting Vortex Ect...

As I said before, "target" in Yu-Gi-Oh isn't about the number of monsters on the field when an effect is activated that affects cards on field. And people who says cards like Dark Hole, Mirror Force, etc. targets when there's only 1 monster on the field should really consider to continue playing this game or not.

Ovan_Is_Tri_Edge wrote:you are wrong about dark hole if obelisk is the only monster it is the target no questions asked i have a friend who has both versions of the two legal god cards i used dark hole obelisk was the only monster did not work it can work if and only if you opponent who has obelisk on the field and another monster

*sigh* Stop posting please. You're so wrong I can't even laugh.

Miror B. wrote:

Ovan_Is_Tri_Edge wrote:you are wrong about dark hole if obelisk is the only monster it is the target no questions asked i have a friend who has both versions of the two legal god cards i used dark hole obelisk was the only monster did not work it can work if and only if you opponent who has obelisk on the field and another monster

*sigh* Stop posting please. You're so wrong I can't even laugh.

They only got 2 posts. I dont expect them to stay if they posted here without knowing what they were talking about.