BLS - EoTB cannot attack if Veiler'ed upon activation of RFG effect.

Now how the hay do I explain it to my opponent?

Veiler only negate the effect, not the activation of effect. BLS still be treated active its effect.

It can attack, Not being able to attack with it for that turn is part of the effect. Just like you can still SS when Duality is negated.
I realize Veiler doesn't negate activation, but BLS can't prevent itself from attacking because it's effect is negated.

3E-hero neos wrote:It can attack, Not being able to attack with it for that turn is part of the effect. Just like you can still SS when Duality is negated.
I realize Veiler doesn't negate activation, but BLS can't prevent itself from attacking because it's effect is negated.

That is not an effect. That is a condition and cannot be negated, it just like Pot of Duality.

Magicknight94 wrote:

3E-hero neos wrote:It can attack, Not being able to attack with it for that turn is part of the effect. Just like you can still SS when Duality is negated.
I realize Veiler doesn't negate activation, but BLS can't prevent itself from attacking because it's effect is negated.

That is not an effect. That is a condition and cannot be negated, it just like Pot of Duality.

Wow, you do learn something every day.
Just tell them:
The not attacking is not an effect, it's a condition, and a condition cannot be negated.
In addition, you could tell them that the effect still resolves but that it's negated.

Just my idea lol.

It's a pseudo-cost. You give up the ability to attack to have the ability to banish. The banish can be negated, but you still gave up your ability to attack.

Try that approach.

Tcbskater wrote:It's a pseudo-cost. You give up the ability to attack to have the ability to banish. The banish can be negated, but you still gave up your ability to attack.

Try that approach.

Mhm, that sounds good enough.

Thanks everyone.

chaos sorcerer will only be able to attack if it has its effect activation negated


when its targeted by veiler it cant att because veiler negates the effect instead of negating the activation

Not according to the judge forum.
They claim that as long as you activated its effect, regardless activation or effect is negated, you cannot attack.

Key wrote:Not according to the judge forum.
They claim that as long as you activated its effect, regardless activation or effect is negated, you cannot attack.

Hm. I personally thought that the no-attack does not apply if the activation is negated. Kinda like how you can still SS and activate another Duality if the first Duality's activation gets negated.

Key wrote:Not according to the judge forum.
They claim that as long as you activated its effect, regardless activation or effect is negated, you cannot attack.

Well ain't that some BS or what?

Once during each of your turns, you can select and activate 1 of the following effects:
● Select 1 monster on the field, and remove it from play. If you activate this effect, this card cannot attack during this turn.

I mean it so easy to understand it's written right there ON the card "If you activate this effect, this card cannot attack during this turn."

It's activation is negated so it never activated so why the hell are they making things so complicated? According to them than Shi En-Shogun cambo should work to, no?

/rant

storyteller wrote:

Key wrote:Not according to the judge forum.
They claim that as long as you activated its effect, regardless activation or effect is negated, you cannot attack.

Hm. I personally thought that the no-attack does not apply if the activation is negated. Kinda like how you can still SS and activate another Duality if the first Duality's activation gets negated.

I found this article which explained the difference. http://duelistcodex.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/pot-of-duality/

If you negate the effect, you've still activated it, and the condition applies where you can't activate another or Special Summon.

If you negate the activation, the condition is not applied.

While this example is speaking in Duality's case, I feel it can be applied to this.

Judge Program Forum Rulings
If the effect of "Chaos Sorcerer" is activated (even if the effect is negated by another effect such as "Effect Veiler" or "Light and Darkness Dragon"), "Chaos Sorcerer" will not be able to attack during the turn.[1]

Let us end here, we all know TCG likes to contradict many of its own rulings

This is more like you attempting to do something, like attempting to Special Summon a monster!