Enemy Controller & Stratos

Situation:

1. Summoning Stratos (Already neos on field), and use effect to destroying field spell

2. Opp use enemy controller and targeting stratos (lol)

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Phoeborus: hf
Phoeborus has lost 1900 life points
Phoeborus: eff
Phoeborus: 1 counter on lab
Phoeborus: nvm
kangtuji: ?
Phoeborus: lab eff
Phoeborus: Once per turn, you can Normal Summon 1 Psychic-Type monster in addition to your Normal Summon or Se
Phoeborus: comamder eff
Phoeborus: 2 counter on lab
kangtuji has lost 200 life points
kangtuji has lost 1400 life points
kangtuji has lost 3200 life points
kangtuji: destroy
Phoeborus: active quick spell
kangtuji: yes
kangtuji: still active
Phoeborus: quick spell spell speed 2
Phoeborus: monster effect speed 1
kangtuji: yes, monster still active
kangtuji: destroy field
kangtuji: ?
Phoeborus has lost 2000 life points
kangtuji: Send, from either side of the field to the Graveyard,
kangtuji: hero + earth monster
Phoeborus has left the duel

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Question

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I knew if he targeting alius, stratos won't destroy anothing...

But since he targeting stratos, dunno for what reason but lol

Do staros doesnt destroy ? As in we talking in chat

Let's go for a simple Chain shall we?
Stratos' effect: Chain Link 1
Enemy Controller: Chain Link 2

Enemy Controller resolves 1st, take control of your Stratos.
Stratos' effect resolves after, count the number of HERO monsters on your opponent's field, and there's no HERO, so Stratos won't destroys anything.

ooo... so I was wrong...

More I playing stratos (and getting argument with many opp)
more I got confused about chaining involving with stratos...

Well.. learning one by one...

The opponents talk over spell speeds doesn't help his case though. It almost like he thinks you can't activate moster effects If he plays a spell speed 2 card first or something like that.

The thing about Stratos is it picks the targets at resolution, since it counts the number of HEROs on the field, which could change with a Call of the Haunted. In which case it would resolve as your opponent's effect and the opponent would get to pick the targets, if he can.

So... in summary my opp was correct about stratos cann't use effect,
(but he giving wrong explaination)

Let's keep it at that Stratos can't use his effect. Saying your opponent was correct is taking it to far

It's not that the effect can't be used... it's just that it destroys 0.

I've been wondering, and this seems to be the answer.
Similar situation: Opponent Summons Trish, you use Enemy Controller/TG1-EM1 in chain to Trish eff. You get to remove?
I assume yes, since it's Trish selects at resolution as well, no?

Ok, it is just me or everybody was wrong?

Stratos counts the number of HERO monsters on the side of the player activating its effect, not the one controlling it when its effect resolve. You (the summoner) still select and destroy S/T on your opp's side. Same thing to Trish.

Well, the big question here is whether or not the control of the activated effect switch along with the monster. If yes, since you are in control of the effect by the time it resolves, and Stratos counts & selects at resolution, the effect applies for you.

...that actually makes very little sense. I'm going to go with what I've always thought, that an activated effect's control doesn't change with the control of the monster. In which case... Stratos should destroy 1? We need a tried-and-true judge here -_-

Effects activate and resolve in the same place, they definitly do not switch control along with the monster.
If you take control of stratos the player who summoned him can still choose and destroy s/t up to the number of other heroes he controls.
Same with trishula. Even if the control is changed the player who activated the effect can still choose 3 cards to remove, even trish can be chosen then.

Okie then, learn something everyday. The resolution destruction of Stratos always confused me.

Miror B. wrote:The thing about Stratos is it picks the targets at resolution, since it counts the number of HEROs on the field, which could change with a Call of the Haunted. In which case it would resolve as your opponent's effect and the opponent would get to pick the targets, if he can.

Stratos doesn't target, don't use the word target. Even if you know what you mean.

Stratos will get his effect to pop targets, and this is why:

Any effect that takes inventory of the field or a particular situation becomes accounted for at that very moment, and any sort of chain link will not change that. If what I just said did not make sense:

Turn player summons Stratos with one other HERO on his side of field. Turn player calls priority on activation of Stratos destruction, and immediately the game "takes inventory" of what's on the field. Becuase, at the time of activation, there was another HERO on Stratos side of field, Stratos will get the ability to destroy cards.

Then, opponent chains E-Con. E-Con will be CL2 (Stratos CL1).

The chain will resolve as follows:
E-Con resolves, taking control of Stratos (CL2)
Stratos destroys variable amount of cards becuase at the time of effect activation, there was another HERO on Stratos side of field. Stratos resolves, destroying variable amount of S/T on opponent's side of field.

Side note: You cannot Starlight Road Stratos. Stratos does not target, and has a variable amount of cards to destroy, so becuase the resolution of Stratos' normal effect of destruction is to destroy X Spell/Traps, Starlight Road cannot be activated becuase X =/= 2 or more.

Another terrible and wrong way to talk about Stratos' destruction effect. And as Key said, Stratos doesn't target, so please don't use the word "target". And Stratos doesn't need priority to activate its effect.

BlackwingRa wrote:Another terrible and wrong way to talk about Stratos' destruction effect. And as Key said, Stratos doesn't target, so please don't use the word "target". And Stratos doesn't need priority to activate its effect.

I typed too fast and forgot that I was using the word target. Edited. If you'll notice in my side not about Road I was aware Stratos does not target.

the only way i know an effect would activate after a monster switches sides is when you chain remove brainwashing to a monster reborn targeting one of you monsters like the light monarch