Inzecter Timing

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-19, 03:42

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Damsel They miss timing with hornet now, so it takes more work to get the deck to run. It is much less auto pilot. Now you need to run armor blast, double cyclone, Release restraint wave and inzecter amise to use hornet and centipedes effect.

**Adept VantageSP** 2011-11-19, 03:45

Thank you gawd... I always found it odd how Damsel didn't miss timing. Good stuff.

**kangtuji** 2011-11-19, 03:51

Damsel & Hornet only.... or entire inzecter ?

(Also lol at "Misc Categories" on that page.... )

**RareHunter** 2011-11-19, 04:13

Inzecter Damsel
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Damsel
Inzecter Hornet
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Hornet
Inzecter Centipede
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Inzecter_Centipede

**kangtuji** 2011-11-19, 04:29

Explain further... are there 3 miss the timing ? and why ?

**Miror B.** 2011-11-19, 04:34

kangtuji wrote:Explain further... are there 3 miss the timing ? and why ?

Damsel's second effect went from an "If...can..." effect to a "When...can..." effect, so it now misses timing and is not as good as it was earlier.

**Tsunayoshi** 2011-11-19, 04:46

What a surprise...

I think this is what everyone gets for getting overhyped on stuff before effects get 100% confirmed.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-19, 04:55

kangtuji wrote:Explain further... are there 3 miss the timing ? and why ?

1. normal summon Damsel
2. equip Hornet (Damsel's eff)
3. send Hornet to grave, destroy 1 card
4. no SS for other Inzecter (Miss Timing)

1. normal summon Centipede
2. equip Hornet (Centipede's eff)
3. send Hornet to grave, destroy 1 card
4. no Add card (Miss Timing)

**Miror B.** 2011-11-19, 05:53

According to a Japanese friend of mine the Wiki's being stupid right now.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 07:53

I really hope this isn't true, because if it is an entire archetype has pretty much been ruined before it even began.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-19, 09:43

Nebuwah wrote:I really hope this isn't true, because if it is an entire archetype has pretty much been ruined before it even began.

i hope so

**Halberdier** 2011-11-19, 09:49

BLS has declared that the wikia is being inaccurate, a new official translation hasn't appeared and that on DN, it will continue to be ruled not to miss timing.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 10:01

I really hope it stays that way. There's really no reason for Konami to cripple the archetype like that.

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-11-19, 10:12

I trust Shriek far more than wikia, and according to them effects are still "If...then.." and it wouldn't make any sense for them to be "When...Then.." because the only way to trigger them without missing timing would be through S/T hate which is just absurd and in no way would work.

**The_Muteki** 2011-11-19, 10:19

Normal summon Inzecter damsel
Equip Hornet destroy 1card
Summon Centibeet equip Hornet
Destroy 1card
Add Gigamantis or other damsel

Either way It's too broken 1Normal summon 1monster for destroying 2 card summon 1
add 1

**RareHunter** 2011-11-19, 10:56

The_Muteki wrote:Normal summon Inzecter damsel
Equip Hornet destroy 1card
Summon Centibeet equip Hornet
Destroy 1card
Add Gigamantis or other damsel

Either way It's too broken 1Normal summon 1monster for destroying 2 card summon 1
add 1

not only it.. with Wind-up Hunter + Wind-up Rat, Inzecter could beat Darkworld
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Wind-Up_Rat
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Wind-Up_Hunter
this combo culd SEND up to 3 ur opponent hand each turn Twisted Evil

**Wildflame** 2011-11-19, 12:48

If this is true..., this world wouldn't seem as dark as it was before.

**Karakuri911** 2011-11-19, 13:57

No, the wikia still says "If"

**3E-hero neos** 2011-11-19, 14:23

I hope it's true, Inzecter would become a lot more balanced.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 14:43

3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-19, 14:48

Nebuwah wrote:
3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.

They would still work, you would just have to use cards like release restraint wave, double cyclone, and inzecter amise.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 15:09

gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.
They would still work, you would just have to use cards like release restraint wave, double cyclone, and inzecter amise.

All are too inconvenient. Use Restraint Wave? Opponent uses Starlight Road. Double Cyclone? Opponent chains MST, turns into a -1 for you. We're in a 3 MST 1 Heavy format, remember. Ameise? Too slow. It doesn't have nearly the amount of impact Hornet has, the only ways you can use it on your turn is with two inconvenient spells, or being stupid enough to lower your own lps just to SS or search a monster.

Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.

**Wildflame** 2011-11-19, 15:28

Nebuwah wrote:Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.

Well, keep in mind that they only have support in 1 pack so far, so Konami has time to work around their flaws and give them a boost.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-19, 15:34

Nebuwah wrote:
gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.
They would still work, you would just have to use cards like release restraint wave, double cyclone, and inzecter amise.

All are too inconvenient. Use Restraint Wave? Opponent uses Starlight Road. Double Cyclone? Opponent chains MST, turns into a -1 for you. We're in a 3 MST 1 Heavy format, remember. Ameise? Too slow. It doesn't have nearly the amount of impact Hornet has, the only ways you can use it on your turn is with two inconvenient spells, or being stupid enough to lower your own lps just to SS or search a monster.

Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.

well sword would more then make it up, as its a mandatory effect. Equip sword to damsel, double cyclone, special and search. I agree though, much slower and less consistent, so its a good thing the translation was wrong. Also important to note, exabeetle and gigamantis still work with the deck even if it were to be changed to a "when" effect. Overall, the deck is much slower and weaker if it were a "when" effect.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 15:35

Wildflame wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.

Well, keep in mind that they only have support in 1 pack so far, so Konami has time to work around their flaws and give them a boost.

If they constantly miss the timing with Hornet they'll constantly miss the timing with any other card with the same kind of ignition effect.

Right now it seems it's not something we have to worry about, and I hope it stays that way.

gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.
They would still work, you would just have to use cards like release restraint wave, double cyclone, and inzecter amise.

All are too inconvenient. Use Restraint Wave? Opponent uses Starlight Road. Double Cyclone? Opponent chains MST, turns into a -1 for you. We're in a 3 MST 1 Heavy format, remember. Ameise? Too slow. It doesn't have nearly the amount of impact Hornet has, the only ways you can use it on your turn is with two inconvenient spells, or being stupid enough to lower your own lps just to SS or search a monster.

Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.
well sword would more then make it up, as its a mandatory effect. Equip sword to damsel, double cyclone, special and search. I agree though, much slower and less consistent, so its a good thing the translation was wrong. Also important to note, exabeetle and gigamantis still work with the deck even if it were to be changed to a "when" effect. Overall, the deck is much slower and weaker if it were a "when" effect.

Like I said, 3 MST 1 Heavy. Equip spells suck this format, it would still be a step in the wrong direction.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-19, 15:59

Nebuwah wrote:
Wildflame wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.

Well, keep in mind that they only have support in 1 pack so far, so Konami has time to work around their flaws and give them a boost.

If they constantly miss the timing with Hornet they'll constantly miss the timing with any other card with the same kind of ignition effect.

Right now it seems it's not something we have to worry about, and I hope it stays that way.

gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
gruntlord6 wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
3E-hero neos wrote:I hope it's true, Inzecter would become completely incompetent.

Fixed.
They would still work, you would just have to use cards like release restraint wave, double cyclone, and inzecter amise.

All are too inconvenient. Use Restraint Wave? Opponent uses Starlight Road. Double Cyclone? Opponent chains MST, turns into a -1 for you. We're in a 3 MST 1 Heavy format, remember. Ameise? Too slow. It doesn't have nearly the amount of impact Hornet has, the only ways you can use it on your turn is with two inconvenient spells, or being stupid enough to lower your own lps just to SS or search a monster.

Trust me, they are dead without the Damsel + Hornet combo.
well sword would more then make it up, as its a mandatory effect. Equip sword to damsel, double cyclone, special and search. I agree though, much slower and less consistent, so its a good thing the translation was wrong. Also important to note, exabeetle and gigamantis still work with the deck even if it were to be changed to a "when" effect. Overall, the deck is much slower and weaker if it were a "when" effect.

Like I said, 3 MST 1 Heavy. Equip spells suck this format, it would still be a step in the wrong direction.

A heavy actually helps you, as does mst.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 16:05

-breaking the mass quote chain-

Not if you get MST'd without any Inzecters in the grave it doesn't. Let's look at it this way;

Damsel wih an "if" effect:

A -2 to your opponent's field
A +1 to your field
A +1 to your hand

Damsel with a "when" effect:

A -1 to your opponent's field
You left with a useless 1000 atk monster that'll get trampled over next turn

Inzecter Sword added into the equation:

A possible but not definite +1 to your hand, but no -1 or -2 to your opponent. Still left with a useless 1000 atk monster.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-19, 21:24

which 1 we trust now? Shriek or Wikia?

**Miror B.** 2011-11-19, 21:25

RareHunter wrote:which 1 we trust now? Shriek or Wikia?

Doesn't matter. Both say "If" right now.

**Saturn** 2011-11-19, 21:26

Well, the wiki changed it back to an "If... you can" effect. But trust Shriek, since anyone can edit the wiki.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-20, 00:26

Nebuwah wrote:Well, the wiki changed it back to an "If... you can" effect. But trust Shriek, since anyone can edit the wiki.

Well if dueling network, the wiki and Shriek say "if", then I think its case closed now.

**kangtuji** 2011-11-20, 09:19

Korsak: EFF
kangtuji: EP
Korsak has lost 1500 life points
Korsak: EFF
Korsak: eff of weevil
kangtuji: ?
Korsak: but i have no inzecter
Korsak: then the eff of cen
kangtuji: ?
kangtuji: what
kangtuji: the !@#$
kangtuji: why you serach hornet
Korsak: the equip card to grave:)
kangtuji: the !@#$
Korsak: just check it^^
Korsak: the eff of cen
kangtuji: nothing said you can serach
Korsak: f an Equip Card that's equipped to this card is sent to your Graveyard: You can add 1 "Inzecter" card from your Deck to the hand.
Korsak: HAA?
Korsak: when it back to my hand,the equip will be into the grave:)
Korsak: are you kidding:)?
kangtuji: Not working if not send by effect
kangtuji: no, i am not kidding
kangtuji: it works like dragunity
kangtuji: NO SEARCH
Korsak: ok i will just do those thing as you said

-------

who is correct ?

Anyway... these things are broke, blowing 3 cards each turn, and you cann't MST/Heavy storm it because it will trigger their effect

**Saturn** 2011-11-20, 09:34

I don't really understand that. He equipped Mantis from the hand, then thought he could send it to the grave at his own whim? Or did Centibeet get returned to the hand and he thought he could search?

**kangtuji** 2011-11-20, 09:38

"Or did Centibeet get returned to the hand and he thought he could search?"

^ this, (mantis was from grave)

**Phraxure** 2011-11-20, 09:58

I hope it stays as it is. Meta is soo repitative and besides, there are no useful insect archetypes.

**OverlordMMM** 2011-11-20, 12:09

You do realize this won't help with repetition of the meta, right? It'll just cause this to bring out repetitive plays if this becomes meta.

I think its an interesting concept, but as is it is too good. I'd actually like it to miss the timing for the balance aspect. Then they can make support to help keep it strong.

**Saturn** 2011-11-20, 12:12

Awh, you think people will use these cards if they miss the timing. How cute.

**OverlordMMM** 2011-11-20, 12:29

People use all the archetypes, even if not competitively. Your point?

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-20, 13:04

OverlordMMM wrote:People use all the archetypes, even if not competitively. Your point?

Exactly, it would just be UU.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-20, 13:06

kangtuji wrote:Korsak: EFF

who is correct ?

Anyway... these things are broke, blowing 3 cards each turn, and you cann't MST/Heavy storm it because it will trigger their effect

You are correct. The only card that would work when the card is returned to the hand is inzecters sword, as it is worded differently. All the inzecter monsters are worded like dragunity acklys.

**012yArthur0** 2011-11-20, 13:31

I think inzecters should get a nerf, the misstiming sounds right, since in one turn you get a +1 and 2 cards destroyed already, not to mention that you can call out a Rank 3 Xyz.

And they can combo perfectly well with Wind-up hand-out combo.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-20, 13:33

012yArthur0 wrote:I think inzecters should get a nerf, the misstiming sounds right, since in one turn you get a +1 and 2 cards destroyed already, not to mention that you can call out a Rank 3 Xyz.

And they can combo perfectly well with Wind-up hand-out combo.

Unless they decide to change the wording for TCG, it will stay this way.

**RareHunter** 2011-11-21, 03:27

kangtuji wrote:Korsak: when it back to my hand,the equip will be into the grave:)
Korsak: are you kidding:)?
kangtuji: Not working if not send by effect
kangtuji: no, i am not kidding
kangtuji: it works like dragunity
kangtuji: NO SEARCH
Korsak: ok i will just do those thing as you said

Gigamantis's words not = Aklys bounce

ORCS already released, and still Gigamantis's words not = Aklys

www.yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Order_of_Chaos

only Hornet, Ameise, Centipede, Damsel (if treated as Equip Card) = Aklys

if the words on Gigamantis still not changed in TCG, Inzecter would have an OTK only need 4 cards :3

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-21, 07:46

RareHunter wrote:
kangtuji wrote:Korsak: when it back to my hand,the equip will be into the grave:)
Korsak: are you kidding:)?
kangtuji: Not working if not send by effect
kangtuji: no, i am not kidding
kangtuji: it works like dragunity
kangtuji: NO SEARCH
Korsak: ok i will just do those thing as you said

Gigamantis's words not = Aklys
ORCS already released, and still Gigamantis's words not = Aklys

www.yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Order_of_Chaos

only Hornet, Ameise, Centipede, Damsel (if treated as Equip Card) = Aklys

if the words on Gigamantis still not changed in TCG, Inzecter would have an OTK only need 4 cards :3

"If this card is sent to the Graveyard while equipped to a monster:" So yes, it is just like aklys. It needs to be sent while equipped.

**flyingelephant** 2011-11-21, 07:54

gruntlord6 wrote:
OverlordMMM wrote:People use all the archetypes, even if not competitively. Your point?
Exactly, it would just be UU.

UU =/= meta.

Konami created what was either going to be Dark Worlds (gimmicky and tier 1) or Crystal Beasts (gimmicky ans suckish). And Crystal Beasts are shiny, which is why people use them.

**gruntlord6** 2011-11-21, 08:02

flyingelephant wrote:
gruntlord6 wrote:
OverlordMMM wrote:People use all the archetypes, even if not competitively. Your point?
Exactly, it would just be UU.
UU =/= meta.

Konami created what was either going to be Dark Worlds (gimmicky and tier 1) or Crystal Beasts (gimmicky ans suckish). And Crystal Beasts are shiny, which is why people use them.

Konami loves to make cards that miss timing for insects for some reason.

**Drago Arcaus** 2011-12-01, 22:01

They could have just made it so hornets effect could only just be used once a turned. thats much less of a NUKE THE ARCHETYPE result

**Badass_Bunny** 2011-12-02, 10:07

kangtuji wrote:Korsak: EFF
kangtuji: EP
Korsak has lost 1500 life points
Korsak: EFF
Korsak: eff of weevil
kangtuji: ?
Korsak: but i have no inzecter
Korsak: then the eff of cen
kangtuji: ?
kangtuji: what
kangtuji: the !@#$
kangtuji: why you serach hornet
Korsak: the equip card to grave:)
kangtuji: the !@#$
Korsak: just check it^^
Korsak: the eff of cen
kangtuji: nothing said you can serach
Korsak: f an Equip Card that's equipped to this card is sent to your Graveyard: You can add 1 "Inzecter" card from your Deck to the hand.
Korsak: HAA?
Korsak: when it back to my hand,the equip will be into the grave:)
Korsak: are you kidding:)?
kangtuji: Not working if not send by effect
kangtuji: no, i am not kidding
kangtuji: it works like dragunity
kangtuji: NO SEARCH
Korsak: ok i will just do those thing as you said

-------

who is correct ?

Anyway... these things are broke, blowing 3 cards each turn, and you cann't MST/Heavy storm it because it will trigger their effect

Why are you constantly so rude? can't you explain it nicely?

**Zero2Hero** 2011-12-02, 13:39

So far it won't miss timing. You say anyone can edit it, so perhaps it was edited to say it will miss the timing. The wiki has been changed again.

Keep in mind that although anyone can edit it, give wrong info and it will be reverted back to normal with the incorrect info gone. It changes that fast. So wikis are very valid, especially the active ones like Yugioh Wikia.

**daunzey** 2011-12-04, 06:39

this should happen this archetype is pretty much completely broken unless they start with a hand full of spell/trap...

*Activating flame shield now*

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