Why Things Are Banned

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-23, 22:39

Anyone know the banlist? Y'know, the thing that people complain about every six months? Well, might as well tell people why these things have been banned, since few seem to know. Or, y'know, use that as an excuse to write an article.

Twenty-Two Cages: The Monsters:

Twenty-Three Seals:

Eight Warning Cones:

**Red_Chaos** 2011-11-23, 22:56

so much evil and to think they want to unban everything at some point :/

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-23, 22:58

Red_Chaos wrote:so much evil and to think they want to unban everything at some point :/

No. They will not. They will make the game perfectly balanced and fun for everyone.
...
I am pretty sure at least some of that was sarcasm...

**MultiJazzBeat** 2011-11-23, 23:05

A good amount of these cards were banned because of FTKs.
These kind of decks are just no fun... IMO
FTK decks don't require any skill as well.

P.S. If toad comes back, I just might cry

**DarkRiku** 2011-11-24, 01:06

Tsukuyomi is like the only card on this list I don't know why is still banned. I mean you give up your normal summon to summon it and it returns to your hand during the end phase. So it is a book of moon in monster form but never seen it that broken. Even in Jar decks I really am not seeing it.

**Prince Vegeta** 2011-11-24, 01:09

the reason mind master was banned was because of and google this
reversal quiz ftk
nUFF SAID

**Wildflame** 2011-11-24, 01:22

Axel VIII wrote: the reason mind master was banned was because of and google this
reversal quiz ftk
nUFF SAID

I think it was mainly because of the Gusto-Exodia FTK/OTK.

I don't see anything worth unbanning in this list, maybe Tsukuyomi or Goyo in a couple formats...

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-24, 01:25

Wildflame wrote:
Axel VIII wrote: the reason mind master was banned was because of and google this
reversal quiz ftk
nUFF SAID
I think it was mainly because of the Gusto-Exodia FTK/OTK.
I don't see anything worth unbanning in this list, maybe Tsukuyomi or Goyo in a couple formats...

No. Nothing here must ever leave here. Ever.
Ever.
Ever.
Also, I fixed it to explain Tsukutomi better, Riku.

**DarkRiku** 2011-11-24, 01:26

Potus-Mat wrote:
Wildflame wrote:
Axel VIII wrote: the reason mind master was banned was because of and google this
reversal quiz ftk
nUFF SAID
I think it was mainly because of the Gusto-Exodia FTK/OTK.
I don't see anything worth unbanning in this list, maybe Tsukuyomi or Goyo in a couple formats...
No. Nothing here must ever leave here. Ever.
Ever.
Ever.
Also, I fixed it to explain Tsukutomi better, Riku.

That makes more sense.

**Garion1991** 2011-11-24, 02:23

MultiJazzBeat wrote:A good amount of these cards were banned because of FTKs.
These kind of decks are just no fun... IMO
FTK decks don't require any skill as well.

P.S. If toad comes back, I just might cry

it takes little skill to pilot one when you net deck them, but i think the deck architects of an original FTK and piloted them into success have something worth learning from

granted, the Traditional Format deck types have been less explored and looked down upon by the playerbase despite the vast possibilities

**Lovelace** 2011-11-24, 16:47

I dont see why the Spirit Monster is banned, when Book of Moon is far better. Anyway, being a fan of ftk's, I would love to see Mind Master come back. Gustodia was my fav deck last format

**Vincent** 2011-11-24, 17:01

Book of Moon can't be infinitely reused, nor has any loops of doom. She does.

**GrandFreeze** 2011-11-25, 19:06

Tsukuyomi is not chainable and lacks all of the versatility of Book of Moon and the loops take 2 turns of setup generally and require above average opening hands to keep. Slow and totally outdone by anything in the meta, Tsukuyomi is best used aas a stun card. Even then, most monsters now have too high DEF to get run that easily.

**S.S.A.** 2011-11-25, 19:16

if they manage to make every card unbanned i am a bit frightened for the metagame moving forward...itll be scaryyy

**Saturn** 2011-11-25, 19:23

I doubt anyone would use Tsukuyomi if it was unbanned anyway. It's not even a staple in Traditional as it is. Also, am I the only one that thinks Rabbit is A LOT worse than Cat?

**S.S.A.** 2011-11-25, 19:25

rabbit is both less and more restrictive, but cat is much more spammable

**GrandFreeze** 2011-11-25, 19:32

You have to look at cat in depth to understand where it becomes stupid and horrendous. The idea is that it is a +1 that specials 2 from the deck is also overpowered. Summoner Monk was the basic method of getting it, and would be again if Cat were to return.

It also being splashed in Sabers gives that deck giant plays to work off of. While Cold Wave is thankfully gone, the inclusion of Double MST and Heavy into most Saber decks makes the backrow a small issue and cat a big one. Would the deck be the monster it was? No, probably not. Would it be balanced? Definitely no, and it just sets up for more Cat variants which ran for too long.

Rabbit falls victim to incocsistency because of Normals and isn't anywhere near as splashable or threatening as most people hyped it out to be. In the YCG Plants are cheaper and obviously better while Agents in the OCG just have everything numbered.

**MK_ultra** 2011-11-25, 19:52

S.S. Anaconda wrote:rabbit is both less and more restrictive, but cat is much more spammable

not to mantion with x saber airibelum it goes into 2 dark strike feighter for a really mean OTK

**dredragon** 2011-11-26, 01:16

I'm a nub, why is Victory Dragon banned?

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 01:18

dredragon wrote:I'm a nub, why is Victory Dragon banned?

It is annoying losing a game to an autopilot deck. Now, imagine losing a game without ever actually playing.

**dredragon** 2011-11-26, 01:29

Okay, I get the first part, but I don't get the second part. :<

Doesn't V dragon have to lower the lp down to 0 to win, and make it the same as just lowering it with any other monster? That's what I'm getting D:

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 01:31

dredragon wrote:Okay, I get the first part, but I don't get the second part. :<
Doesn't V dragon have to lower the lp down to 0 to win, and make it the same as just lowering it with any other monster? That's what I'm getting D:

Yep. But it wins the match. In other words, you win round two without even playing it.

**dredragon** 2011-11-26, 01:36

Ooohh. Wow, why would they even make that.

**GrandFreeze** 2011-11-26, 01:52

The deck is unplayable and Victory Dragon is almost impossible to summon in the current gamestate. Also, hitting to 0 with Dragon isn't exactly easy either.

That said, it should still be banned for offering only troll decks and zero positivity to the game.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 01:55

Updated with Banned Spells.

**GrandFreeze** 2011-11-26, 02:07

A critical note: The best way to give the reasons why a card should or should not be banned is best done with at least a paragraph and not a one liner sentence that provides little insight. I suppose cards like Harpies are self explanatory, but you can go into an interesting new notes regarding similarities to other cards or the different effects some would have.

Throwing out my two cents, I've been writing long winded topics on pojo for nearly a year. It helps to get your point across better.

**Garion1991** 2011-11-26, 05:01

i may be reading it wrong, but i do believe the Monarchs are 6 while The Last Warrior is 7

PS: Thousand Eye Restrict is scarier compared to all the other locks imo

**Saturn** 2011-11-26, 07:33

Potus-Mat wrote:
dredragon wrote:I'm a nub, why is Victory Dragon banned?
It is annoying losing a game to an autopilot deck. Now, imagine losing a game without ever actually playing.

Actually wasn't it mainly banned because at official tournaments players would just scoop to avoid losing the entire match? So they banned it just to stop situations like that. I mean, yeah the whole "win a match" thing is kind of broken but it's useless outside of tournaments.

Also, it appears I had stopped playing YuGiOh at that point, but how did Butterfly Dagger break Gearfried?

**Phraxure** 2011-11-26, 07:50

One day The Last Warrior will be banned, someone will make successful Dark Simorgh lock down with him, which means the opponent can't do anything. I've had a few attempts, but it's hard creating a deck with the right cards.

**Ultimate lol** 2011-11-26, 08:10

Nebuwah wrote:
Potus-Mat wrote:
dredragon wrote:I'm a nub, why is Victory Dragon banned?
It is annoying losing a game to an autopilot deck. Now, imagine losing a game without ever actually playing.

Actually wasn't it mainly banned because at official tournaments players would just scoop to avoid losing the entire match? So they banned it just to stop situations like that. I mean, yeah the whole "win a match" thing is kind of broken but it's useless outside of tournaments.

Also, it appears I had stopped playing YuGiOh at that point, but how did Butterfly Dagger break Gearfried?

You can endlessly play the equip in 1 turn. You figure out a way to abuse that Very Happy

**Saturn** 2011-11-26, 08:20

Ultimate lol wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
Potus-Mat wrote:
dredragon wrote:I'm a nub, why is Victory Dragon banned?
It is annoying losing a game to an autopilot deck. Now, imagine losing a game without ever actually playing.

Actually wasn't it mainly banned because at official tournaments players would just scoop to avoid losing the entire match? So they banned it just to stop situations like that. I mean, yeah the whole "win a match" thing is kind of broken but it's useless outside of tournaments.

Also, it appears I had stopped playing YuGiOh at that point, but how did Butterfly Dagger break Gearfried?

You can endlessly play the equip in 1 turn. You figure out a way to abuse that

Spell counters, I assume.

**Resurgence** 2011-11-26, 08:55

Dagger Elma was banned because of Royal Magic Gearfried OTK and Fire Princess OTK. Unlimited activations and unlimited counters on Library. Burn forever or draw Exodia.

Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.

**Saturn** 2011-11-26, 09:16

Resurgence wrote:Dagger Elma was banned because of Royal Magic Gearfried OTK and Fire Princess OTK. Unlimited activations and unlimited counters on Library. Burn forever or draw Exodia.

Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.

That's exactly why it was banned, actually.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 10:12

GrandFreeze wrote:A critical note: The best way to give the reasons why a card should or should not be banned is best done with at least a paragraph and not a one liner sentence that provides little insight. I suppose cards like Harpies are self explanatory, but you can go into an interesting new notes regarding similarities to other cards or the different effects some would have.
Throwing out my two cents, I've been writing long winded topics on pojo for nearly a year. It helps to get your point across better.

Perhaps I shall, some day. Some day...

Garion1991 wrote:i may be reading it wrong, but i do believe the Monarchs are 6 while The Last Warrior is 7

I did not say Monarchs! I said, um, Fog King! I know they sound similar, but I would never make a mistake like that! No sirre, not me...

Spoiler:

And on Victory Dragon: a card that rewards surrender should be banned.
...
I wonder how many people have draw a beret on Victory Dragon...
Anyway, the Traps are up.

**Resurgence** 2011-11-26, 11:50

Nebuwah wrote:
Resurgence wrote:Dagger Elma was banned because of Royal Magic Gearfried OTK and Fire Princess OTK. Unlimited activations and unlimited counters on Library. Burn forever or draw Exodia.

Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.

That's exactly why it was banned, actually.

Exactly, the card's effect is useless, it will never activate, and it will never get summoned. Nobody is stupid enough to run it, why ban it?

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 12:01

Resurgence wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
Resurgence wrote:Dagger Elma was banned because of Royal Magic Gearfried OTK and Fire Princess OTK. Unlimited activations and unlimited counters on Library. Burn forever or draw Exodia.
Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.
That's exactly why it was banned, actually.
Exactly, the card's effect is useless, it will never activate, and it will never get summoned. Nobody is stupid enough to run it, why ban it?

It rewards surrender. That is just...

**Saturn** 2011-11-26, 13:32

Resurgence wrote:
Nebuwah wrote:
Resurgence wrote:Dagger Elma was banned because of Royal Magic Gearfried OTK and Fire Princess OTK. Unlimited activations and unlimited counters on Library. Burn forever or draw Exodia.

Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.

That's exactly why it was banned, actually.

Exactly, the card's effect is useless, it will never activate, and it will never get summoned. Nobody is stupid enough to run it, why ban it?

It was banned because in tournaments people would just scoop ( a.k.a forfeit ) to avoid being losing the entire match in the first duel. You obviously don't get it, you obviously have never been to a tournament either. Like Potus said, it rewards surrender, it's effect was easy to get around and it caused too many problems so it got banned just to prevent the, for want of a better word, drama.

**AhhGoodTimes** 2011-11-26, 13:43

Phraxure wrote:One day The Last Warrior will be banned, someone will make successful Dark Simorgh lock down with him, which means the opponent can't do anything. I've had a few attempts, but it's hard creating a deck with the right cards.

I've made a successful Last Warrior + Dark Simorgh Lockdown deck. I do the lockdown almost all the time. All it takes is Dimensionhole or Interdimenional Matter Transporter (which don't summon btw).

It's a fun lockdown but I relunctantly agree that if too many people use the deck Last Warrior should get banned. Nothing less than a top decked Dark Hole would be able to save someone from it.

**nsanejokr** 2011-11-26, 15:42

I'm pretty sure we should just consider Victory Dragon to be being banned so much as never meant to be played, like the other cards with the Victory Dragon effect. I just say that since it's obviously banned for a slightly arbitrary reason rather than anything based on brokenness like the other bans.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-26, 16:41

nsanejokr wrote:I'm pretty sure we should just consider Victory Dragon to be being banned so much as never meant to be played, like the other cards with the Victory Dragon effect. I just say that since it's obviously banned for a slightly arbitrary reason rather than anything based on brokenness like the other bans.

Yeah. The creators of Victory Dragon are a different kind of stupid than the guys who made the Envoys. This kind of stupid would make something like...
Magic To Spell
Normal Spell
Both players play a round of Magic: The Gathering. Then, remove from play all Magic cards in both players' decks.
...
I think that made sense.

**BigZac** 2011-11-27, 06:02

Only one thing to say here.

If Chaos Emperor Dragon is ever unbanned...there will be massive QQ.

I really hope Konami/whoever runs the Yu-gi-oh part of it isn't THAT stupid.

**S.S.A.** 2011-11-27, 11:31

Potus-Mat wrote:
nsanejokr wrote:I'm pretty sure we should just consider Victory Dragon to be being banned so much as never meant to be played, like the other cards with the Victory Dragon effect. I just say that since it's obviously banned for a slightly arbitrary reason rather than anything based on brokenness like the other bans.
Yeah. The creators of Victory Dragon are a different kind of stupid than the guys who made the Envoys. This kind of stupid would make something like...
Magic To Spell
Normal Spell
Both players play a round of Magic: The Gathering. Then, remove from play all Magic cards in both players' decks.
...
I think that made sense.

honestly the fact that its banned is just dumb, it should be forbidden like the god cards with only flavor text and the other 5 or 6 cards that need 3 sacs and win the match in game one

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-27, 16:21

S.S. Anaconda wrote:
Potus-Mat wrote:
nsanejokr wrote:I'm pretty sure we should just consider Victory Dragon to be being banned so much as never meant to be played, like the other cards with the Victory Dragon effect. I just say that since it's obviously banned for a slightly arbitrary reason rather than anything based on brokenness like the other bans.
Yeah. The creators of Victory Dragon are a different kind of stupid than the guys who made the Envoys. This kind of stupid would make something like...
Magic To Spell
Normal Spell
Both players play a round of Magic: The Gathering. Then, remove from play all Magic cards in both players' decks.
...
I think that made sense.
honestly the fact that its banned is just dumb, it should be forbidden like the god cards with only flavor text and the other 5 or 6 cards that need 3 sacs and win the match in game one

Well, that would require an errata nerf to end all errata nerfs, something that has never been done before. And then they would need to reprint them, and then people would use the old ones for tournaments, and it would just be a huge mess...

**Axrest** 2011-11-27, 17:46

It's pretty easy to explain why things are banned;
The hard part is explaining why Tengu/!@#$ Guide is at 3 and and BLS is at 1.

Good write up, sir.

**Saturn** 2011-11-27, 17:59

Axrest wrote:It's pretty easy to explain why things are banned;
The hard part is explaining why Tengu/!@#$ Guide is at 3 and and BLS is at 1.

Good write up, sir.

Tour Guide gets you a 2500 beater, that's it. Tengu and also TGU are TCG exclusives and will remain TCG exclusives for quite a while, so that's why.

BLS is at 1 because the weed is just so damn good.

**Potus-Mat** 2011-11-27, 18:43

Nebuwah wrote:
Axrest wrote:It's pretty easy to explain why things are banned;
The hard part is explaining why Tengu/!@#$ Guide is at 3 and and BLS is at 1.
Good write up, sir.
Tour Guide gets you a 2500 beater, that's it. Tengu and also TGU are TCG exclusives and will remain TCG exclusives for quite a while, so that's why.
BLS is at 1 because the weed is just so damn good.

Never really saw what the big deal about Tour and Tengu are, but, yeah, that is the best phrasing of why BLS is around I have ever heard.

**S.S.A.** 2011-11-27, 20:51

Potus-Mat wrote:
S.S. Anaconda wrote:
Potus-Mat wrote:
nsanejokr wrote:I'm pretty sure we should just consider Victory Dragon to be being banned so much as never meant to be played, like the other cards with the Victory Dragon effect. I just say that since it's obviously banned for a slightly arbitrary reason rather than anything based on brokenness like the other bans.
Yeah. The creators of Victory Dragon are a different kind of stupid than the guys who made the Envoys. This kind of stupid would make something like...
Magic To Spell
Normal Spell
Both players play a round of Magic: The Gathering. Then, remove from play all Magic cards in both players' decks.
...
I think that made sense.
honestly the fact that its banned is just dumb, it should be forbidden like the god cards with only flavor text and the other 5 or 6 cards that need 3 sacs and win the match in game one
Well, that would require an errata nerf to end all errata nerfs, something that has never been done before. And then they would need to reprint them, and then people would use the old ones for tournaments, and it would just be a huge mess...

you missed my point, the other 5 or 6 cards with victorys effect arnt just banned, theyre forbidden, you cant even use them in traditional...why did victory dragon escape this punishment

**Vincent** 2011-11-27, 20:53

Because Konami is too lazy to have what Potus said would happen come to pass, and then have to clean up the mess.

**Phoenix Wright** 2011-11-27, 21:04

Resurgence wrote:

Victory Dragon being banned is pointless. Just scoop if he's gonna kill you that turn and you don't lose the match.

In the OCG, you can only scoop on your own turn, and we all know konami loves the OCG way more than the TCG

**S.S.A.** 2011-11-27, 21:15

Vincent wrote:Because Konami is too lazy to have what Potus said would happen come to pass, and then have to clean up the mess.

you mean an errata to say this card cant be used in a match?

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