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[Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Old problem mostly solved, with new text changes
Comparison table
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In general
Can I active those traps even without ninja presence on field ?
Not using the continious trap effect.
Comparing to continious trap like Royal opression text
Either player can pay 800 Life Points to negate the Special Summon of a monster(s), and/or an effect that Special Summons a monster(s), and destroy those cards.
Because the card said "activate this EFFECT" instead "activate this CARD"
In Specific
1. Rust Mist
When your opponent Special Summons 1 or more monsters: Halve the ATK of those Special Summoned monsters. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect.
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<ul><li>Does the cut half atk permanent ? What happen when one of them (either the art or the ninja) gones ?
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2. Freezing
When your opponent's monster declares an attack: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect.
<ul><li>Again, as already questioned on other thread... one time use ? Or...
(I Said one time use only... but something smell fishy here... but cann't point what or where)
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3. Gold Conversion
When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards.
<ul><li>I have faceup Armor Ninjutsu Art & face down ANO*
Do this card destroy the facedown cards too ?
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4. Decoy
Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally).
<ul><li>No Question
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5. Super Transformation
Activate by targeting 1 "Ninja" Monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls. Send them to the Graveyard, and Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type, Dinosaur-Type, or Sea-Serpent-Type monster from your deck with a Level equal to or lower than the combined Levels of the sent monster(s). If this card leaves the field, banish that monster.
<ul><li>No Question so far
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6. Transformation
Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that includes "Ninja" in its card name. Special Summon 1 Beast-Type, Winged Beast-Type or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster.
<ul><li>No Question so far
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Comparison table
<h1>DN Old Text</h1> | <h1> | <h1>Current Wiki text</h1> | <h1>DN text 30/12/11</h1> |
Armor Ninjitsu Art of Freezing 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)フリーズ・ロック | |||
When your opponent's monster declares an attack: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect. | When an opponent's monster declares an attack, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. | When an opponent's monster declares an attack, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: You can flip this card face-up; negate that attack and end the Battle Phase. Once this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions while you control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s). | |
Armored Ninjitsu Art: Gold Conversion 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)ゴールド・コンバージョン | |||
When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards. | If you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control, then draw 2 cards. | When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards. | |
Armor Ninjitsu Art of Rust Mist 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)ラスト・ミスト | |||
When your opponent Special Summons 1 or more monsters: Halve the ATK of those Special Summoned monsters. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect. | When a monster is Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Halve the ATK of that Special Summoned monster. | When a monster(s) is Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Halve the ATK of that Special Summoned monster(s). | |
Ninjitsu Art of Decoy 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 空(うつ)蝉(せみ)の術(じゅつ) | |||
Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally). | Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally). | Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally). | |
Ninjitsu Art of Duplication | |||
- | Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters, from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters. | Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position, with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters. | |
Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 超(ちょう)変(へん)化(げ)の術(じゅつ) | |||
Activate by targeting 1 "Ninja" Monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls. Send them to the Graveyard, and Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type, Dinosaur-Type, or Sea-Serpent-Type monster from your deck with a Level equal to or lower than the combined Levels of the sent monster(s). If this card leaves the field, banish that monster. | Target 1 face-up "Ninja" monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; send them to the Graveyard, then Special Summon 1 Dragon, Dinosaur, or Sea Serpent-Type monster with an equal or lower Level than the sent monsters' combined Levels from your Deck to your side of the field. If this card leaves the field, banish that monster. | Target 1 face-up "Ninja" monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; send them to the Graveyard, then Special Summon to your side of the field 1 Dragon, Dinosaur, or Sea Serpent-Type monster from your Deck whose Level is less than or equal to the combined Levels of the sent monster(s). When this card leaves the field, banish that monster. | |
Ninjitsu Art of Transformation 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 変(へん)化(げ)の術(じゅつ) | |||
Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that includes "Ninja" in its card name. Special Summon 1 Beast-Type, Winged Beast-Type or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster. | Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. Special Summon 1 Beast, Winged Beast, or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster. | Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that includes "Ninja" in its card name. Special Summon 1 Beast-Type, Winged Beast-Type, or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster. |
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kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Update :
3. Gold Conversion
When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards.
<ul><li>I have faceup Armor Ninjutsu Art & face down Armor Ninjitsu Art
Do this card destroy the facedown cards too ?
New Question :
<ul><li>Now I have 2 faceup Armor Ninjitsu Art....
can I use Armor Ninjitsu Art of Gold Conversion ? The card said 1 face-up "ninjitsu art"
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3. Gold Conversion
When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards.
<ul><li>I have faceup Armor Ninjutsu Art & face down Armor Ninjitsu Art
Do this card destroy the facedown cards too ?
New Question :
<ul><li>Now I have 2 faceup Armor Ninjitsu Art....
can I use Armor Ninjitsu Art of Gold Conversion ? The card said 1 face-up "ninjitsu art"
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kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
1. Follow the rulings of Black Garden, the ATK cut will be permanent even when Rust Mist leaves the field. If the monster affects by Rust Mist leaves the field, it's ATK will be reset.
2. It it not one time use only, it has infinite use as long as you can use it.
3. I'm not sure but maybe it won't destroy face-down cards. And for your update: Do you pay attention to the (s)? That's mean 1 or more, the translation is not complete after all.
2. It it not one time use only, it has infinite use as long as you can use it.
3. I'm not sure but maybe it won't destroy face-down cards. And for your update: Do you pay attention to the (s)? That's mean 1 or more, the translation is not complete after all.
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All text were taken straight from DN ...
So ... about rust mist, does it cut all special summoned monster that summoned later after this card flipped face-up ?
But since Freezing only one time use.. I doubt it.. read it wrong...
So Freezing ... as long as a ninja on field, opp cann't attack ? that sick...
And more important, do Freezing / Mist Rust can be flipped face up if there is no ninja on field ?
So ... about rust mist, does it cut all special summoned monster that summoned later after this card flipped face-up ?
So Freezing ... as long as a ninja on field, opp cann't attack ? that sick...
And more important, do Freezing / Mist Rust can be flipped face up if there is no ninja on field ?
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That I don't know, waiting for official.
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Story
Ninjitsu Art Targetting Spirit Reaper... how does they work ?
Unlike super poly, this ninjitsu art targets.....
Opp said I still get the effect...
But I don't think so...
Log
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Question
So the question can I able to use ninjitsu art ??
Or resolve without effect, and no monster being summoned, BUT reaper dies, and ninja stay ?
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Reaper's effect that makes it die doesn't resolve until after the card it is targeted with resolves. So, Art will be able to send it and your monster to the grave before Reaper's destruction effect actually kicks in.
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Just always remember, Spirit Reaper's effect that destroy itself doesn't start a chain, so it will always wait for the effect that targets it resolves (succesfully or not doesn't matter) then it will destroy itself if it stays face-up on field or its effect hasn't been negated.
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kangtuji wrote:All text were taken straight from DN ...
So ... about rust mist, does it cut all special summoned monster that summoned later after this card flipped face-up ?But since Freezing only one time use.. I doubt it..read it wrong...
So Freezing ... as long as a ninja on field, opp cann't attack ? that sick...
And more important, do Freezing / Mist Rust can be flipped face up if there is no ninja on field ?
no it only negates the att and ends the battle phase when activated
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Armor_Ninjitsu_Art_of_Freezing
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New text:<ul>
When an opponent's monster declares an attack, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions.</ul>
So now it implies Freezing and Mist Rust can be activated even without ninjas on field...
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not sure about it
do you know any other cont trap card with an effect you can use only when its activated and able to be activated outside that timing?
freeze lock has a timing , i dont think it can be activated at any other time
do you know any other cont trap card with an effect you can use only when its activated and able to be activated outside that timing?
freeze lock has a timing , i dont think it can be activated at any other time
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Yea, the timing is when opp attack
But... its implies it also can be activated without ninja presence on field, its just resolve without effect, but it can be flipped.
So if you happen draw Gold Conversion next turn, you can destroy it without ninja on field (also another question, does Gold Conversion destroy set card too ? another text changes, it only destroy face up art now)
But... its implies it also can be activated without ninja presence on field, its just resolve without effect, but it can be flipped.
So if you happen draw Gold Conversion next turn, you can destroy it without ninja on field (
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did you check rust mist rulings? you going to love those
the att WONT go to back up if the trap is removed
and
the att is halved at the resolution of rust mist effect ,this means its another mandatory effect triggered by special summon !!!
that little fact makes it soo good
the att WONT go to back up if the trap is removed
and
the att is halved at the resolution of rust mist effect ,this means its another mandatory effect triggered by special summon !!!
that little fact makes it soo good
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But then...
that makes Rust Mist only one time use, instead havled all monster special summoned by opp
And same question still applies, does rust mist can be activated without ninjas ?
This one can be activated anytime (other than damage step)
that makes Rust Mist only one time use, instead havled all monster special summoned by opp
And same question still applies, does rust mist can be activated without ninjas ?
When a monster is Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Halve the ATK of that Special Summoned monster.
This one can be activated anytime (other than damage step)
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maybe there are some translation errors
ive seen freeze lock translated as 'you can only activate this card when opponent declares an attack' or something like it
and
what i meant with rust mist is: its effect activates (if you have a ninja on the field) any time a the opponent special summons and its effect uses the chain same as All Out Attack
ive seen freeze lock translated as 'you can only activate this card when opponent declares an attack' or something like it
and
what i meant with rust mist is: its effect activates (if you have a ninja on the field) any time a the opponent special summons and its effect uses the chain same as All Out Attack
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^
Are you sure Mist Rust is not one time use ?
Can you give the link / rulings for this ? I'll gonna need that to show my opp who gonna complains
^ on the new rulings, said... regardless... ninjas monster still send to the graveyard, even there is no Dragon on the deck OR opp monster gone when resoluting.
Are you sure Mist Rust is not one time use ?
Can you give the link / rulings for this ? I'll gonna need that to show my opp who gonna complains
kangtuji wrote:
Story
Ninjitsu Art Targetting Spirit Reaper... how does they work ?
Unlike super poly, this ninjitsu art targets.....
Opp said I still get the effect...
But I don't think so...
Log
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/yJQIX.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Question
So the question can I able to use ninjitsu art ??
Or resolve without effect, and no monster being summoned, BUT reaper dies, and ninja stay ?
^ on the new rulings, said... regardless... ninjas monster still send to the graveyard, even there is no Dragon on the deck OR opp monster gone when resoluting.
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rust mist has a ruling stating you cant activate the trap/flip it during damage step but its effect will activate if its already face up during damage step
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the card already faceup on field
I see.... althought confusing at first sight,
so its will be cut halve any special summoned monster summoned later, if theres ninjas on field not just on activation.
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going by the rulings yes
if it were one time only wouldnt the att go back up if the trap is removed ?
but they added that ruling preventing it from happening
and based on the damage step one yep its effect will activate anytime a monster is special summoned while this trap is face up if you have a ninja
if it were one time only wouldnt the att go back up if the trap is removed ?
but they added that ruling preventing it from happening
and based on the damage step one yep its effect will activate anytime a monster is special summoned while this trap is face up if you have a ninja
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So just like Luminize Lumenize / Photonize
<ul><ul>When an opponent's monster declares an attack: Target the attacking monster; negate the attack, and 1 face-up LIGHT monster you control gains ATK equal to that target's ATK, until your next End Phase.
相手モンスターの攻撃宣言時に発動する事ができる。相手モンスター1体の攻撃を無効にし、その相手モンスターの攻撃力分だけ、自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在する光属性モンスター1体の攻撃力を、次の自分のエンドフェイズ時までアップする。</ul></ul>
These traps (Rust Mist & Freezing) can be / should able to activated even you doesn't have ninjas... correct ?
<ul><ul>When an opponent's monster declares an attack: Target the attacking monster; negate the attack, and 1 face-up LIGHT monster you control gains ATK equal to that target's ATK, until your next End Phase.
相手モンスターの攻撃宣言時に発動する事ができる。相手モンスター1体の攻撃を無効にし、その相手モンスターの攻撃力分だけ、自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在する光属性モンスター1体の攻撃力を、次の自分のエンドフェイズ時までアップする。</ul></ul>
These traps (Rust Mist & Freezing) can be / should able to activated even you doesn't have ninjas... correct ?
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Ninjitsu Freezing
Ninjitsu Rust Mist
Answer in bold text, just copying that fucking card text
no need explained
When an opponent's monster declares an attack, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect.
Ninjitsu Rust Mist
When your opponent Special Summons 1 or more monsters: Halve the ATK of those Special Summoned monsters. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect.
Answer in bold text, just copying that fucking card text
no need explained
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Its old text, noone using that anymore
Even so, It still implies you does not need a ninja to activate the card itself, not the effect as I already asked in original question
(Just like Lumenize)
Even so, It still implies you does not need a ninja to activate the card itself, not the effect as I already asked in original question
(Just like Lumenize)
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You can never activate an effect that will end up not resolving properly, unless it was a mandatory one.
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In this ninjutsu trap card, those aren't really correct because it has separate effect / condition like photonize.
If The condition already meet, the card can be activated, just like Royal Tribute still forces opp discarding their monster if they chained MST to royal tribute (for destroying necrovalley). Because the condition already meet
(What is the example of those effect that will end up not resolving properly anway ?)
So... anyone got answers from konami ?
If The condition already meet, the card can be activated, just like Royal Tribute still forces opp discarding their monster if they chained MST to royal tribute (for destroying necrovalley). Because the condition already meet
(What is the example of those effect that will end up not resolving properly anway ?)
So... anyone got answers from konami ?
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You can not activate an effect that will not resolve.
"Your opponent discards 1 card" for example, while he has no hand- There's no condition whatsoever, but the effect will not resolve, so you can not activate it.
This card is similar to monsters that say "To activate and resolve this effect" (like the new Zombie Master)
"Your opponent discards 1 card" for example, while he has no hand- There's no condition whatsoever, but the effect will not resolve, so you can not activate it.
This card is similar to monsters that say "To activate and resolve this effect" (like the new Zombie Master)
Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Lol that you cann't discard because its nothing have conditions like ninja arts
So you cann't even activate it because the condition aren't meet,
in this case it has "When" "if" word, which one fulfilled, it goes active
So you cann't even activate it because the condition aren't meet,
in this case it has "When" "if" word, which one fulfilled, it goes active
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dont know why they didnt make the text easier to understand
both cards say you need a ninja for their effects
nothing about needing one to activate the traps
both cards say you need a ninja for their effects
nothing about needing one to activate the traps
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
So... Current Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation text on DN :
What happen if card like Banisher of Radiance/Light, D.Fissure or Macro Cosmo active on field ?
Target 1 face-up "Ninja" monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; send them to the Graveyard, then Special Summon to your side of the field 1 Dragon, Dinosaur, or Sea Serpent-Type monster from your Deck whose Level is less than or equal to the combined Levels of the sent monster(s). When this card leaves the field, banish that monster.
What happen if card like Banisher of Radiance/Light, D.Fissure or Macro Cosmo active on field ?
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I would say that Super Transformation would not even be able to be activated as you cant send the monsters to the graveyard due to the Banishing effects of Banisher/D. Fissure/Macro.
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But in http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Ninjitsu_Art_of_Super-Transformation said
If it is actually a cost, I believe you can use Super Transformation
Hmmm I just notice they removed word "armor" from these cards, so its "Ninjitsu Art of (x)" instead "Armor Ninjitsu Art of (x)"
- "If during the effect's resolution there are no Dragon, Dinosaur or Sea Serpent-Type monsters in the Deck, the targeted monsters are still sent to the Graveyard.[1]
If it is actually a cost, I believe you can use Super Transformation
Hmmm I just notice they removed word "armor" from these cards, so its "Ninjitsu Art of (x)" instead "Armor Ninjitsu Art of (x)"
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Think Honest, Effect Veiler, and Maxx "C". If they cant be sent to the graveyard, their effects do not activate.
The same more than likely may be the case for Super Transformation.
The same more than likely may be the case for Super Transformation.
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Those aren't even have closer/similiar effect like Super Transformation
Think super poly, more similiar
it also has text "to grave" both on super poly or normal polymerization, but both can be used while D.fissure/Cosmo active
Think super poly, more similiar
it also has text "to grave" both on super poly or normal polymerization, but both can be used while D.fissure/Cosmo active
also... an opp just ragequit because I use ninjitsu art with facedown ninja
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Send is not a cost, it is part of the effects.
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But neither super poly or normal poly is cost
oh wait.....
oh wait.....
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Comparison table
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Armor Ninjitsu Art of Freezing 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)フリーズ・ロック | |
When your opponent's monster declares an attack: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect. | When an opponent's monster declares an attack, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Negate that attack, and end the Battle Phase. While this card is face-up on the field, monster(s) your opponent controls cannot change their battle positions. |
Armored Ninjitsu Art: Gold Conversion 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)ゴールド・コンバージョン | |
When you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control and then draw 2 cards. | If you control 1 face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s): Destroy all face-up "Ninjitsu Art" card(s) you control, then draw 2 cards. |
Armor Ninjitsu Art of Rust Mist 機(き)甲(こう)忍(にん)法(ぽう)ラスト・ミスト | |
When your opponent Special Summons 1 or more monsters: Halve the ATK of those Special Summoned monsters. You must control a face-up "Ninja" monster(s) to activate this effect. | When a monster is Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field, if you control a face-up "Ninja" monster: Halve the ATK of that Special Summoned monster. |
Ninjitsu Art of Decoy 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 空(うつ)蝉(せみ)の術(じゅつ) | |
Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally). | Activate by selecting 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. The selected monster cannot be destroyed by battle (damage calculation is applied normally). |
Ninjitsu Art of Duplication | |
Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters, from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position, with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters. | Tribute 1 "Ninja" monster; Special Summon any number of "Ninja" monsters, from your Deck, in face-up Attack Position or face-down Defense Position with combined Levels less than or equal to the Level of the Tributed monster. When this card leaves the field: Destroy those monsters. |
Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 超(ちょう)変(へん)化(げ)の術(じゅつ) | |
Target 1 face-up "Ninja" monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; send them to the Graveyard, then Special Summon to your side of the field 1 Dragon, Dinosaur, or Sea Serpent-Type monster from your Deck whose Level is less than or equal to the combined Levels of the sent monster(s). When this card leaves the field, banish that monster. | Target 1 face-up "Ninja" monster you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; send them to the Graveyard, then Special Summon 1 Dragon, Dinosaur, or Sea Serpent-Type monster with an equal or lower Level than the sent monsters' combined Levels from your Deck to your side of the field. If this card leaves the field, banish that monster. |
Ninjitsu Art of Transformation 忍(にん)法(ぽう) 変(へん)化(げ)の術(じゅつ) | |
Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that includes "Ninja" in its card name. Special Summon 1 Beast-Type, Winged Beast-Type or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster. | Activate this card by Tributing 1 face-up "Ninja" monster on your side of the field. Special Summon 1 Beast, Winged Beast, or Insect-Type monster with a Level equal to or less than the Level of the Tributed card + 3 from your hand or Deck to your side of the field. When this card is removed from your side of the field, destroy the monster. |
kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
It should work like Beckoning Light
Even though it's not a cost, if it's not sent to the grave, no monsters will be summoned
Even though it's not a cost, if it's not sent to the grave, no monsters will be summoned
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Key wrote:It should work like Beckoning Light
Even though it's not a cost, if it's not sent to the grave, no monsters will be summoned
I already said that when I pointed out that it should work similarly to Honest and co.
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Except Honest is a cost so it's different, if Macro is face-up, Honest cannot be activated, Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation can, however.
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@Key:
Got any link / OCG translation to support that theory ?
I need something to show to my opp in case they went into resistant/persistent mode
Got any link / OCG translation to support that theory ?
I need something to show to my opp in case they went into resistant/persistent mode
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
WTF....
Note:
1. He using torrential without summoning any monster
2. He read Freezing effect need a ninja on field, while it is not
- <img src=https://i.imgur.com/mmVhA.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Note:
1. He using torrential without summoning any monster
2. He read Freezing effect need a ninja on field, while it is not
kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Question....
Can Ninjitsu Super Transformation Art work with token ?
Can Ninjitsu Super Transformation Art work with token ?
- <img src=https://i.imgur.com/fS7PI.jpg style=max-width:100%>
kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Wikia says sending to the grave is a cost, so I'm not too sure about this one...
I'd assume it's not possible since Tokens can't be sent to the grave.
I'd assume it's not possible since Tokens can't be sent to the grave.
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
The targeted monsters are sent to the Graveyard when the effect resolves.[1]
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[1] = citation needed
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also that mean TOKEN does count (as CAN be targetted) but since you cann't send token to grave, but your monster on side of field CAN, and Super-Transformation still summon based on monster send to graveyard,
Possible it ABLE to summon monster from deck according only with your side monster, (but targetting token)
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also that mean TOKEN does count (as CAN be targetted) but since you cann't send token to grave, but your monster on side of field CAN, and Super-Transformation still summon based on monster send to graveyard,
Possible it ABLE to summon monster from deck according only with your side monster, (but targetting token)
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Timing question
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/xKYxU.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Question
Did new Hanzo Miss the timing ?
- Opp use dark hole
- I chain with Duplication, tributes Hanzo and summoning another hanzo
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/xKYxU.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Question
Did new Hanzo Miss the timing ?
kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Definitely will miss the timing.
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Timing Question:
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/8u0db.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Does new hanzo miss the timing ?
Activation Question:
1)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/DPn3A.jpg style=max-width:100%>
2)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/mZaiY.jpg style=max-width:100%>
3)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/CRRLO.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Can opp activate hyperion destruction ?
<img src=https://i.imgur.com/8u0db.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Does new hanzo miss the timing ?
Activation Question:
1)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/DPn3A.jpg style=max-width:100%>
2)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/mZaiY.jpg style=max-width:100%>
3)<img src=https://i.imgur.com/CRRLO.jpg style=max-width:100%>
Can opp activate hyperion destruction ?
kangtuji- Posts : 1611
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Hyperion can still be activated. I would assume that either his effect fizzles when it targets something that cant be destroyed
Tsunayoshi- Posts : 1915
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Re: [Armor] Ninjitsu Art Of (*) Questions
Following question, since hyperion activated without reading the monster effect:
So, Venus removal is a cost....
on 2'nd screenshot he return venus to graveyard
Can he do that ? Returning venus to graveyard ?
Is it safe to bitching about it ? Considering what happen on 3'rd screenshot
So, Venus removal is a cost....
on 2'nd screenshot he return venus to graveyard
Can he do that ? Returning venus to graveyard ?
Is it safe to bitching about it ? Considering what happen on 3'rd screenshot
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