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Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Potus-Mat 2012-02-05, 07:51
Let's face it: we have to deal with some pretty broken stuff. If it isn't Hornet ripping our fields to shreds, it's Hunter slaying out hands. Now, I have never been one for intro's so let's get this train=wreck of and article started.
Konami's mistakes this format. If not... meh, I get paid the same either way.
- I. What Makes This Format Special:
Every format is a bit different, obviously. Now, if you were to try to use a deck from last format this format, you would notice a few things. First off, you would notice people being angry for you not adhering to the new banlist. Second, you would notice that a lot of the cards that were mighty last format are not so much this format. For instance, last format, an old little card say a lot more play: Seven Tools Of The Bandit. For just 1000 LP, any Trap was shut down. Now, this is just a theory, but the reason people ran it was because everyone set their entire hand turn one. You could not summon a Kuriboh without having more Traps than any given Indiana Jones movie triggering. In fact, some people even ran the -1 Dark Bribe, just because Giant Trunade would blow away all their sloppily laid Traps for an OTK. This format, though, there only about three Traps run: Trap Dustshoot, which the opponent always draws turn one, Solemn Warning, which they always have when you summon a boss monster, and Solemn Judgment, which they always have after they have used both Warning's. Simply put, Seven Tools just ain't worth it anymore. But, still, Heavy alone was not enough to make the bad Traps go away. Mystical Space Typhoon finally was paroled from its time on the list, and now everyone fears setting a Trap. This is the theme of the format, you could say: Destruction. Your Spells, Traps, and Monsters aren't safe on the field; the Traps are gone, but things just got a whole lot more dangerous...
- II. The Terrors Of The Format:
1. Inzektors
Bugs rule the Earth. They are everywhere, and will even be in us when that last McHeartbuster gets us six feet under. I am fine with this, but what I am not fine are these nasty little things. For those of youliving under a rock...(Well, there are still bugs there...) living on another planet, the Inzektors have a terrifying little combo. Summon Damsel, equip a fallen Hornet, use Hornet to kill something (+1), use Damsel to summon Centibeat (+2), equip Hornet to Centibeat, kill something else with Hornet (+3), use Centibeat to search for an Inzektor (+4), usually Damsel so the nightmare can begin anew. This ungodly +4 combo is easy to pull off, and leaves then with the material to Exceed summon a Rank Three like Number 17 for an easy 2500, or, if they are particularly evil... Well, we will get to that part right now...
2. Wind-Ups
Wind-Ups are little toys that look like something a bratty toddler would play with. This aside, it is often the opponent throwing the tantrum, usually because of a little trick Wind-Ups picked up: the Hunter Loop. Here we go! Exceed for Zenmaighty (can be combo'd off of any Rank Three Exceed, such as the dreaded Inzektor combo will give), use Zenmaighty to summon Rat (+1), use Rat to revive Hunter, tribute Zenmaighty to make your opponent pitch a card (+2), Overlay Rat and Hunter for another Zenmaighty, use Zenmaighty to get another Rat, use Rat to revive Hunter, tribute Zenmaighty for another pitch (+3), Overlay Hunter and Rat for Zenmaighty Three, grab another Rat, revive Hunter, tribute Zenmaighty for the third pitch (+4). And all of this leaves them with material for ANOTHER Rank Three. Best of all, since Hunter "sends" instead of "discards", those Dark Worlds and Demonic Fiend Roar Deities won't trigger.
3. Rabbits
"D'aw..."
This is the last word of anyone who does not take Rescue Rabbit seriously. Despite his weak stats, Rabbit has quite a few accomplishments: it is a watered down version of Rescue Cat, it successfully broke Vanilla's, and it has topped many a tourney. Now, for... I'm just going to explain. Summon Rabbit, Banish, grab two Vanillia Dino's, Overlay for an Evolzar. It is simple, yet terrifying. Evolzar Raggia and Evolzar Dolkka are Solemn Judgement and Divine Wrath given 2000+ bodies. Then, given Tour Guide From The Underworld, Leviair The Sea Dragon opens up a rift to bring bunny back, starting the terror anew. O, Elmer Fudd, why did you fail us...
- III. Common Conceptions:
1.) Traps Are Dead
As I said above, there only about three Traps you will see in most decks: Warning, Dustshoot, and Solemn. I swear, if I hear the words "3 MST Heavy Format" one more time... Anyway, Traps are less common this time around.
2.) Synchro's Are Dead
With the dawn of the Exceed monster, Synchro's have lost some steam. Sorry, Yusei, but you are on the back-burner, now. Plants and Lavals are the main exceptions to the rule, but, with the uprising of bunnies and toys, Black is the new White.
3.) Three Is King
Inzektors, Wind-Ups, Tour Guide... Rank Three's are more common than bad grammar. There are some reasons for this; all Rank One's need three materials, the only Rank Two's of much notice are Gachi and Number 96, and Level Five and higher monsters are a bit hard to summon. Rank Four monsters are still common, such as in Bunnies, but, other than that, they are mostly as tech in HERO's or Glad's.
- IV. Out-Thinking The Format:
1.) Maxx "C"
Look up to the second section. You might notice that the loops and twirls of most of the terrifying decks up there Special Summon quite a bit, right? Use it against the Hunter loop and you will draw, like, a bajillion cards off of that. Use it against Rabbits and net a +1. Now, it won't dampen Hornet much, but it does take some of the sting out of the -4. Even the adorable devil Tour Guide, will end up giving you a +1.
2.) Neo-Spacian Grand Mole
Again, looking up to the top decks, most of them end up with a might Exceed monster on the field. Grand Mole just laughs, here. At the cost of your Normal Summon, you swat the Exceed monster away like a gnat. But, wait, there's more! Grand Mole also works to slow down your opponent's Normal Summon by bouncing one of their monster's back, and still works on Synchro and Fusion monsters, as well.
3.) Mystical Space Typhoon
Now, I never Main this card in any deck. I Side three, as well as Dust Tornado's, and, heck, even Trap Eater for good measure, but I never Main it. Nonetheless, my decks would hardly work without it. "But if you never use it, how can it help you?" you ask yourself. Well, I'll tell you why! Because everyone is so afraid of it that they hardly use any Traps! This didn't work last format and I doubt it will work the next one, but now it works just fine! Just the fear makes Mystical Space Typhoon one of my favourite cards this format. But, for the last time: it does not negate.
- V. Crazy, But I Just Might Work:
1.) Setting The Hand
A common move last format, but an insane move this one. Now, some decks just like a big backrow, I understand. Others prefer a couple of big monsters up front, and I like having a steady hand, but for the backrow fans, there are still option. MST will be an issue, yes, but rarely a game-maker. Having a Chain-able Trap, such as Compulse, Dustshoot, or, for comedy's sake, your own MST, will make that move a +1 for you. But, really, the biggest issue is Heavy. This is actually pretty easy to solve, and can actually become an advantage for you. Starlight Road, an old card of Yusei's that he does not know the rulings to, was the main way to stop Heavy last March, but, for those of us who don't want to risk getting Warning'd or are not a fan of (and forgive me, but this is what he is generally called) "Startard", Huge Revolution Reversal is for you! A Counter Trap, it is at a whole other Speed Spell than Starlight, and it Banishes the card, to boot! As well as getting rid of a rare JD, something Starlight could already do, Reversal can also work against the destructive Scrap Dragon, which has thrown off many plans. So, go ahead, run 15 Traps; just use protection.
2.) Weak Is Weak
As powerful as Rabit, Damsel, Tour, and Rat are, they still lack attack. And this may just be the weak point. For instance, the burly Tiger King Wanghu absolutely HATES anything below 1400 attack; in fact, he has numerous assault charges for it. Anything weak that comes near him is torn to shreds, before even out little bunny can scurry down the dimensional rabbit hole. While most of the frights of this time are too big for Chain Disappearance to bother, it is always fun ruining a Plant player's day. Now, these alone will obviously not suffice. Good thing we have another card that can take away all of this fancy moves and make things like they were when I was your age: two monsters come in, one comes out, no effects, no tricks. I am, of course, speaking of Skill Drain. MST may be a bother, but the odds of your opponent having MST while you have Skill drain are about 12%.
3.) Take Matters Into Your Own Hands
A set D-Prison is a nice treat, but the best way to ruin your opponent's lead is a card they never saw coming. I already praised Maxx "C" up and down, but don't forget about his sister, Effect Veiler. While Maxx "C" gaining popularity kinda pushed her out into the cold, she still shines where he sits in the corner. C is great against the Hunter loop, but Veiler will charm Damsel enough to stop the Inzektor dance stop long enough to squash him. But, sometimes, you can't stop the big plays with little monsters. Well, to fight power with power, we have Gorz to save you from the brink, or Trag, to put them at their's. The field is fair game when the theme is Destruction, but the hand has always been a bit harder to hit. And I didn't even talk about the joys of a well timed D.D. Crow...
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
3E-hero neos 2012-02-05, 08:07
The only reason I read it all was that you wrote it with a certain tone which I really liked!
Anyway, like you said yourself, it's not that good of an article, it's more like stating the obvious, and more a guide written in a funny way to side decking, and even then you missed a lot of cards. What about TKR, Debunk, Crow??
All in all, it's a bit of a useless article(no offense), but it was a really fun read >:3
Anyway, like you said yourself, it's not that good of an article, it's more like stating the obvious, and more a guide written in a funny way to side decking, and even then you missed a lot of cards. What about TKR, Debunk, Crow??
All in all, it's a bit of a useless article(no offense), but it was a really fun read >:3
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Potus-Mat 2012-02-05, 08:17
Yeah, it was pretty pointless...
But, still, it killed an hour writing it, and someone read it.
But, still, it killed an hour writing it, and someone read it.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Saturn 2012-02-05, 09:10
Everyone runs 4 traps, Potus. The Solemns, Dustshoot and TT. 
Y u forget TT?
Y u forget TT?
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RareHunter 2012-02-05, 09:48
A guide against Third Era? seems nice
no guide to beat Elite Four deck? Prepared it!
not the Pokemon but Elite Four in Yu-Gi-Oh!
- Tengu synchro
- Karakuri
- Agent
- Dark World
no guide to beat Elite Four deck? Prepared it!
not the Pokemon but Elite Four in Yu-Gi-Oh!
- Tengu synchro
- Karakuri
- Agent
- Dark World
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Abdo_Tarek 2012-02-05, 12:23
Veiler is a girl?
Never noticed that
Never noticed that
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Phoenix Wright 2012-02-05, 12:38
You should include that 2/3 of the main decks of this format rely heavily on the graveyard
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L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz 2012-02-05, 12:41
Why are people saying that traps are rarely being run this format? That is not true at all.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Phoenix Wright 2012-02-05, 12:47
Name a trap, other than the solemn set, dustshoot, mirror for, or torrential (that's at most 6 traps) that is commonly used
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
plsgiveme500k 2012-02-05, 12:48
I saw many people run fiendish chain, bottomless trap hole, torrential tribute, mirror force, D. prison, solemn warning, solemn judgment, Trap dust shoot... 3 MST and 1 heavy not enough to deal with these nasty trap...
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Saturn 2012-02-05, 13:21
Phoenix Wright wrote:Name a trap, other than the solemn set, dustshoot, mirror for, or torrential (that's at most 6 traps) that is commonly used
Potus couldn't even name Mirror Force or TT. I will admit, Mirror Force isn't used in every deck, but the rest of thrm are.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Twilight Sparkle 2012-02-05, 15:10
Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
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DefiniteOtaku 2012-02-05, 15:15
No.Twilight Sparkle wrote:Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
Just No.
Learn2YGO, cause Dustshoot is a freaking terror.
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S.S.A. 2012-02-05, 15:17
Twilight Sparkle wrote:Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
this
also compulse is awesome
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Miror B. 2012-02-05, 17:14
Twilight Sparkle wrote:Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Saturn 2012-02-06, 12:10
Miror B. wrote:Twilight Sparkle wrote:Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
Going on Google Images and then making your entire post just one picture doesn't make you funny or a good troll. Just thought you should know.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Miror B. 2012-02-06, 15:19
Saturn wrote:Miror B. wrote:Twilight Sparkle wrote:Your Dead to me
Mirror force > Trapdust shoot XD
Hell
Sticky Tape > Trapdust shoot
Going on Google Images and then making your entire post just one picture doesn't make you funny or a good troll. Just thought you should know.
Don't care, making a point.
Trap Dustshoot is considered a staple for a reason.
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Red_Chaos 2012-02-06, 15:26
trapshoot is only good during your first turn if you go first nuff said
obtw potus its Laggia not Raggia :3
obtw potus its Laggia not Raggia :3
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Phoenix Wright 2012-02-06, 16:20
Dustshoot is good anytime if your willing to wait
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3E-hero neos 2012-02-06, 17:49
Red_Chaos wrote:trapshoot is only good during your first turn if you go first nuff said
obtw potus its Laggia not Raggia :3
OCG name is Raggia.
Oh and Potus, write more of these articles that have such a tone in their text please, it's really fun to read!
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The Predator32 2012-02-06, 20:26
It was very fun to read. And to someone like myself who was gone from the game for 9 years there were a few things I didn't already know.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
vanessahatake 2012-02-06, 20:41
First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
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CCStormgust 2012-02-06, 20:52
fiendish chain, ninjutsu art, compulse, war chariot, call of the living dead, castle wall.Phoenix Wright wrote:Name a trap, other than the solemn set, dustshoot, mirror for, or torrential (that's at most 6 traps) that is commonly used
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
vanessahatake 2012-02-06, 20:54
CCStormgust wrote:fiendish chain, ninjutsu art, compulse, war chariot, call of the living dead, castle wall.Phoenix Wright wrote:Name a trap, other than the solemn set, dustshoot, mirror for, or torrential (that's at most 6 traps) that is commonly used
Castle wall? LOL
I use compulses in most of my decks
Gets rid of certain annoying xyzs.... >.> like a certain rank 2 and rank 3 that done like to get destoyed....
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L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz 2012-02-06, 21:29
vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Phoenix Wright 2012-02-06, 21:45
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
You underestimate the power of neko mane king
and @stormgust:
Ninjas are bad
GB's are bad
Hardly any decks main call
Hardly any decks main fiendish chain
Hardly any decks use compulse
Castle Wall??
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Miror B. 2012-02-06, 21:53
NopeCCStormgust wrote:fiendish chain, ninjutsu art, compulse, war chariot, call of the living dead, castle wall.Phoenix Wright wrote:Name a trap, other than the solemn set, dustshoot, mirror for, or torrential (that's at most 6 traps) that is commonly used
1 deck
Meh
1 deck
Not as used
Lol
Solemns and Dustshoot are staples this format.
Then Torrential.
Then other stuff.
And even if Dustshoot is dead, it makes good MST bait.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz 2012-02-06, 22:45
Phoenix Wright wrote:L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
You underestimate the power of neko mane king
and @stormgust:
Ninjas are bad
GB's are bad
Hardly any decks main call
Hardly any decks main fiendish chain
Hardly any decks use compulse
Castle Wall??
Neko is not that good, I don't even know if it is worth the side deck space. Also, Ninjas bad? I'd like to duel you with my Chaos Ninja deck to prove you wrong.
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Heimdall 2012-02-06, 23:15
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:
Neko is not that good, I don't even know if it is worth the side deck space.
Let's see.
Neko Mane King is sent to the Grave by Hunter would-be loop. Opponent's turn automatically ends.
Neko is popped by Hornet. Opponent's turn ends.
It IS worth one space in the side deck, as it stops the loop for one turn. It doesn't matter how he ends up in the grave, as long as Neko is sent there thanks to your opponent (during his turn, of course).
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
The Predator32 2012-02-06, 23:36
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
Art though mad? Both Skill drain and macro are things no inzektor deck wants to run into.
More traps that get used. Safe zone, fiendish chain, chain disappearance, macro, star light, call of the haunted, bottomless, skill drain, tyrants temper,
Edit. someone already responded to fiendish chain as nope? really? I run into it constantly. adds another way to stop effect loops from going off when you're without a veiler.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
Phoenix Wright 2012-02-07, 00:29
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:Phoenix Wright wrote:L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
You underestimate the power of neko mane king
and @stormgust:
Ninjas are bad
GB's are bad
Hardly any decks main call
Hardly any decks main fiendish chain
Hardly any decks use compulse
Castle Wall??
Neko is not that good, I don't even know if it is worth the side deck space. Also, Ninjas bad? I'd like to duel you with my Chaos Ninja deck to prove you wrong.
Clearly you have never dropped neko mane king from your hand during an opponent's wind-up loop, and laughed as you started your turn
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
vanessahatake 2012-02-08, 06:07
L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
Ive beat those decks during test plays.
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nimmons 2012-02-28, 16:09
vanessahatake wrote:L۪۫єтнαℓαfтєяz wrote:vanessahatake wrote:First of all: Veiler is a boy. A BOY. >=(
Secondly. I <3 this thread. I'm thinking of using Macro, Skill Drain, Eatos deck for the March YCS. I'm working on how to make it a tad bit consistent. If I get the right cards (about 80% rate so far) Its insta win. Just need a bit more to make it tournament worthy. ^_^ First turn skill drain, macro, and some sort of protection cads is so niiice~ ^___________^
It's going to lose to wind-ups/inzektors no matter what you put in it.
Ive beat those decks during test plays.
It's not that hard to beat them. You just have to "build to the Meta" more now than in other formats.
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
S.S.A. 2012-02-28, 16:18
huge bump bro...check dates when you post
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Re: Beat The Broken: Tips To The Format
nimmons 2012-02-28, 16:31
S.S.A. wrote:huge bump bro...check dates when you post
Oh crap... This was still like 2 or 3 threads down lol. Sorry, that's my bad. =P
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