Monarch question

I summoned kuraz the light monarch and used its effect to destroy my battle fader to draw 1 card. I declared my target first to let my opponent respond. He didn't chain. So I sent fader to the grave and as soon as I did my opponent activated skill drain to negate kuraz's draw effect. I told him that the destruction and draw effect were all one effect and the destruction wasn't a cost so his timing wasn't correct, but he said something about kuraz having an obligatory effect or something like that. I'm not sure exactly what he meant but I'm pretty certain his move was BS. Anyway, can i get confirmation on whether I'm right or wrong?

Was he chaining to the destruction or your effect? If he chains to your monster being destroyed it maybe doesn't get the draw. I don't use Kuraz though since IMO he is the worst Monarch out there.

what did he say? Never heard of that. As soon as an effect starts resolving you can't activate something in beetween the resolution. That can't be interupted by anything.

Gorz wrote:Was he chaining to the destruction or your effect? If he chains to your monster being destroyed it maybe doesn't get the draw. I don't use Kuraz though since IMO he is the worst Monarch out there.

he chained to the drawing part. i didn't feel like arguing with him anymore about it so we played it out where fader was destroyed by kuraz but i didn't get the draw.

I don't think they can do that. You need to chain to the summon.

Gorz wrote:I don't think they can do that. You need to chain to the summon.

You can't chain to a summon only effects.

Its a little confusing the way I put things so basicly.

You don't draw and the fader is still destroyed.

Two things happen when a card is used:
Activation and resolution.

Some things happen when a card is played/activated (such as costs)

When they resolve in the chain any other effects are applied.

Kuraz destroys when it activates but draws when it resolves. This means his timing was correct.

Gorz wrote:I don't think they can do that. You need to chain to the summon.

You can't chain to a summon. Because summon doesn't start a chain.

Since Kuraz's effect started to resolve, it's in mid-chain resolution. And you may not interrupt the chains from resolving.

redsmas wrote:

Kuraz destroys when it activates but draws when it resolves. This means his timing was correct.

That's simply not correct, no destruction has been made a cost yet. Therefore, it's not a cost.

Tollhouse wrote:

Gorz wrote:Was he chaining to the destruction or your effect? If he chains to your monster being destroyed it maybe doesn't get the draw. I don't use Kuraz though since IMO he is the worst Monarch out there.

he chained to the drawing part. i didn't feel like arguing with him anymore about it so we played it out where fader was destroyed by kuraz but i didn't get the draw.

You destroy card(s) and draw card(s) simultaneously. The "drawing" effect does not use another chain link

reference: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Kuraz_the_Light_Monarch

KaousFaustXIII wrote:

Tollhouse wrote:

Gorz wrote:Was he chaining to the destruction or your effect? If he chains to your monster being destroyed it maybe doesn't get the draw. I don't use Kuraz though since IMO he is the worst Monarch out there.

he chained to the drawing part. i didn't feel like arguing with him anymore about it so we played it out where fader was destroyed by kuraz but i didn't get the draw.

You destroy card(s) and draw card(s) simultaneously. The "drawing" effect does not use another chain link

reference: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Kuraz_the_Light_Monarch

I did not know that ruling please disregard what I said about it.

The opponent can only chain SD when you activate Kuraz's effect and target card(s) that you want to destroy. So if your opponent didn't response when you targeted, then they cannot response anymore until you finish resolving Kuraz's effect.

BlackwingRa wrote:The opponent can only chain SD when you activate Kuraz's effect and target card(s) that you want to destroy. So if your opponent didn't response when you targeted, then they cannot response anymore until you finish resolving Kuraz's effect.

if you cancel an effect monster, you cancel the entire effect, so chain can only be at the start of the effect

zerods wrote:

BlackwingRa wrote:The opponent can only chain SD when you activate Kuraz's effect and target card(s) that you want to destroy. So if your opponent didn't response when you targeted, then they cannot response anymore until you finish resolving Kuraz's effect.

if you cancel an effect monster, you cancel the entire effect, so chain can only be at the start of the effect

But you have to remember even when you negate a card the costs for it must still be payed as they are payed on activation, then the effects are activated when the card resolves in the chain. In turms of Kuraz you don't have a cost of summoning so it ecomes chain link one then before anything happens skill drain must be activated.

basically what im seein here is that kuraz's destruction and draw happen simutaniously so activating skill drain when you remove the fader would just mean it goes back on the feild and they were late. otherwise the kid you were playing had no idea what he was a talking about

zerods wrote:

BlackwingRa wrote:The opponent can only chain SD when you activate Kuraz's effect and target card(s) that you want to destroy. So if your opponent didn't response when you targeted, then they cannot response anymore until you finish resolving Kuraz's effect.

if you cancel an effect monster, you cancel the entire effect, so chain can only be at the start of the effect

The start of Kuraz's effect is when you targeting monster(s) on the field.