Dark world meta?

TheVoid wrote:Dark World gets a lot of support but I havent seen too much trouble from Dark Worlds. Most Dark World decks are inconsistant, relying on DWD or their field spell.

Its funny how a month ago I wrote this... now I play Dark World XYZ and its just too dominate.

TheVoid wrote:

TheVoid wrote:Dark World gets a lot of support but I havent seen too much trouble from Dark Worlds. Most Dark World decks are inconsistant, relying on DWD or their field spell.

Its funny how a month ago I wrote this... now I play Dark World XYZ and its just too dominate.

Not to sound condescending, but most people that depend on DWD, get bent over in mirror matches when they give away stupid easy +s

I've been using 1 DWD for a long time now and letting Gate, Raven, or Card D. do most of the heavy lifting for the deck with Lightning for chipping away and making more advantage.

yea my Dark Worlds play 3 DWD but I can get around it in mirror. Ive actually found myself to do well in mirror matches since I play 2 Raven and the weaker summoned monsters like Beige to get the XYZ summons. In game 2 Id side the DWD out for Fabled Chawa maybe, not sure. Havent played full matches with it yet so I dont have a side deck yet.

TheVoid wrote:yea my Dark Worlds play 3 DWD but I can get around it in mirror. Ive actually found myself to do well in mirror matches since I play 2 Raven and the weaker summoned monsters like Beige to get the XYZ summons. In game 2 Id side the DWD out for Fabled Chawa maybe, not sure. Havent played full matches with it yet so I dont have a side deck yet.

3 DWD is too risky to main just because of the mirror match.

Also I dont really like using Chawa because it isnt easily special summoned with its own effect and brings nothing to the deck. Cerburrel would be more useful for its ability to be freely special summoned off of anything that discarded in the deck.

With exceeds and all, they'll be pro. They can easily get a rank 4-5-6.

TeamHersheyCookies wrote:With exceeds and all, they'll be pro. They can easily get a rank 4-5-6.

4 is unlikely, 5 is where they will get some abuse with Volcasaurus.

3 is where they will hit money makers.

Nothing about 5 is worth the space and the deck doesnt really do well with making 4's out of monsters that are better used as Synchro fodder.

5 RARELY sees use, unless you decided to run the Lords (which is a rare thing to see), Rank 3's though... Holy f!sh, they do plenty of work and pay off pretty damn good, especially Leviair. >___>

Johnny Raptor wrote:5 RARELY sees use, unless you decided to run the Lords (which is a rare thing to see), Rank 3's though... Holy f!sh, they do plenty of work and pay off pretty damn good, especially Leviair. >___>

Maining 3 Sillva right now. Solid body, making quick level 8's, VOLCA-mother****in'-SAURUS.

I see little reason to not have them around.

Also Leviair is the damn bawss once Gate has been rolling. Leviathan Dragon is just good for the TourGan combo and keeping up with the not so slow roll DW usually has to do on turn 1

THREE Sillva? Isn't that kinda overkill?

Johnny Raptor wrote:THREE Sillva? Isn't that kinda overkill?

Nope. Not when they are the only high levels sitting in the main deck. Also they are the main way into Volcasaurus besides shenanigans with Raven. Also its secondary effect just made Goldd get a major case of shrinkage with people holding onto their hands instead of over committing.

I'm still skeptical on them because they need consistent discarding... >__>

Johnny Raptor wrote:I'm still skeptical on them because they need consistent discarding... >__>

3 Gate, 3 Raven, 3 Lightning, 1 DWD, 2 Brron.

I dont see a huge issue in dealing with them

Three Lightning??? You sure this is for the next format? o____O

Just wondering. I've been kinda trained against the use of the Lords, but you're the sixth person today to mention their use, so I'm just curious.

Johnny Raptor wrote:Three Lightning??? You sure this is for the next format? o____O

Just wondering. I've been kinda trained against the use of the Lords, but you're the sixth person today to mention their use, so I'm just curious.

Yup. Just because people wont be setting alot on the backrow doesnt make Lightning any worse. Hell just because they set something will almost be more than reason enough to pop it with Lightning before you do anything else like summon a monster.

Also just having 3 of Sillva, or Goldd for the last format, isnt exactly a bad thing. Its supposed to be a utility card and its not as dead as you would think.

Too bad I cant post my article up. I got my deck list in it, but cant post the guide properly with this stupid restriction on images and links.

Actually with Heavy Storm coming back it will drop a lot of the effectiveness of DWL. Since people are gonna go to more chainable stuff now, more than likely at least, you wont be aiming at your opponents D Prison or Seven Tools, youll be aiming at chainable things like Threatening Roar. Since Threatening Roar resolves before DWL can destroy it, you cant discard for DWL.

TheVoid wrote:Actually with Heavy Storm coming back it will drop a lot of the effectiveness of DWL. Since people are gonna go to more chainable stuff now, more than likely at least, you wont be aiming at your opponents D Prison or Seven Tools, youll be aiming at chainable things like Threatening Roar. Since Threatening Roar resolves before DWL can destroy it, you cant discard for DWL.

Bolded portion is wrong.

In the chain you are talking about: Dark World Lightning > T Roar, while Roar will resolve before Lightning destroys it, it will not leave the field until the chain has fully resolved, meaning it will still be destroyed, and you will still have to discard an effect to finish resolving the effect of DW Lightning.

However for DWL to resolve, its target needs to remain face-down.

I havent seen many people quick to main T. Roar.

Just the same 5 card core and 2-3 themed traps.

TRoar, CED, Royal Decree, Call of the Haunted, MST, anything chainable really gets around DWL. Btw as reference:

Dark World Lightning card rulings

TheVoid wrote:TRoar, CED, Royal Decree, Call of the Haunted, MST, anything chainable really gets around DWL. Btw as reference:

CED might see use, Roar might, Decree is useless with all the destruction and minimal trap lineups, Call might get abused. MST will probably not get chained unless they are just wanting to be a douche.

You get the point. Also looked at the rulings to refresh myself on them since I havent been playing much with completely unneeded delay on the ban list being rolled over.

DAMNIT I HATE THIS DAMN POST RESTRICTION!

MST will be used, even if it has to target itself, so you dont get your discard. However your right about Decree, but people will replace it with Trap Stun.

TheVoid wrote:MST will be used, even if it has to target itself, so you dont get your discard. However your right about Decree, but people will replace it with Trap Stun.

Trap Stun is in the same boat as Decree really. I mean sure they can use it, but its generally under the same conditions as Decree, lacking any other traps.

Also MST cant target itself. It will get chained to DWL is what you meant to use as your example. Of course if the card goes bottoms up with the new format, I can see it getting replaced by MSTs and DW trying to make full use of CrushShoot.

DW doesnt mind missing with Mind Crush either. I'll gladly call a card I know you dont have if it means I can discard a DW monster.

MST can target itself. I just double checked the rulings and there nothing saying it cant. The text also doesnt read "target one other card"

TheVoid wrote:MST can target itself. I just double checked the rulings and there nothing saying it cant. The text also doesnt read "target one other card"

I'm playing the BS card. Back it up without a link?

MST

Mystical Space Typhoon wrote:Target 1 Spell/Trap Card on the field; destroy that target.

MST Rulings

Well continue this debate later, Im mad tired. 5am means goodnight for me xD.

Dark world are really powerful. The only cards that would be able to make them lose their power are cards that remove other cards from play, I suggest using Giant Trunade, or when the new format starts up, Heavy Storm

Dueler312 wrote:Dark world are really powerful. The only cards that would be able to make them lose their power are cards that remove other cards from play, I suggest using Giant Trunade, or when the new format starts up, Heavy Storm

MST would be better, since nuking your own field spell isn't a good idea sometimes.

They cant ban Grapha. Its not over powered.. Its just really good. Some people dont take into account that the field gives the monsters a 300 attack boost, making them able to fall into bottomless trap hole.

There are three games, if you lose the 1st one against dark worlds just side in Banishers and D fissures, Why is that soo hard to do? You'll win the next two games if you side in the removal, I know first hand that dark worlds cant stand the removal match ups.

thmaninblack wrote:

Dueler312 wrote:Dark world are really powerful. The only cards that would be able to make them lose their power are cards that remove other cards from play, I suggest using Giant Trunade, or when the new format starts up, Heavy Storm

MST would be better, since nuking your own field spell isn't a good idea sometimes.

That's why you should have quick play spell cards that you can use.

TheVoid wrote:Well continue this debate later, Im mad tired. 5am means goodnight for me xD.

MST cannot target itself. That isnt even a ruling but a basic mechanic of the game.

I did some research and it seems every single yugioh game in existance is wrong, MST cant target itself, so i admit you are right. However it doesnt change that DWL doesnt work on MST cause then it can just target DWL.

Inb4MSTdoesntnegate

If MST is targeted by DWL, and you flip it and target DWL, DWL's effect fizzles cause MST is no longer facedown.

TheVoid wrote:I did some research and it seems every single yugioh game in existance is wrong, MST cant target itself, so i admit you are right. However it doesnt change that DWL doesnt work on MST cause then it can just target DWL.

Inb4MSTdoesntnegate

If MST is targeted by DWL, and you flip it and target DWL, DWL's effect fizzles cause MST is no longer facedown.

No dispute there. That would be an effective way to fizzle the card.

Point I am making is that trap lineups will more than likely fall back to the same 4-5 cards with themed stuff after that. Chainables like Roar which were a big deal back in the old days, may not come back into use with how easy it is to button down a field after a successful push.