Xyz Rulings - How they should be used on DN

Due to large amount of people not knowing how Xyz's work, this topic is going to explain how to use them on Dueling Network.


Important note:

Xyz Monsters don't have Levels, they have Ranks instead. This means you can't use Xyz monsters for a Synchro summon. You can't use them when trying to perform a Xyz Summon. You can't use them when performing a Ritual Summon. You can use them when Performing Fusion Summon.

1. Dueling Network follows TCG Rules and Rulings.
   
   
2. Rulings state that "Xyz material monsters are not on the field".
   
   
   
   1. This means cards like Sangan and Goblin Zombie won't get their effects when detached from Xyz monster
      
      
   2. This means cards like Plaguespreader Zombie and Quillbolt Hedghog won't get banished.
      
   
   
3. Xyz Monsters do not lose their Materials if they are flipped face-down. The materials will be kept attached.
   
   
4. Tokens can not be used as for an Xyz summon.
   
   
5. Trap Monsters such as Zoma The Spirit or Tiki Soul can be used for Xyz Summon
   
   
6. Xyz Materials are not treated as monsters.
   
   
   
   1. If cards like "Dimensional Fissure" are face up on the field and a Xyz monster is removed from the field or its material are detached, those Xyz Materials won't be Banished; instead they will go to Graveyard.
      
      
   2. If cards like "Macro Cosmos" or "Banisher Of The Radience" are face-up on the field, then Xyz Materials will get Banished if detached or if Xyz Monster itself is removed from the field.
      
      
   3. If Xyz Monster would be removed from play by cards like "Dimensional Prison" or "Bottomless Trap Hole" then Xyz Materials are still sent to grave.
   
   
   
7. If the Xyz Summon is negated, the Xyz Materials are already treated as being used as Xyz Materials, even though they are not "under" the Xyz Monster (which never gets to the Field anyway). Therefore monster that were intended to be used as Xyz Materials will get sent to grave and any effects that would activate in that case would trigger.
   
   
8. If control of Xyz monster is switched the materials move with it.
   
   
9. If you play "Monster Reborn" on a Xyz Monster, it will come back without its Materials
   
   
10. If Xyz Mosnter is removed from play by a card such as "Inderdimensional Matter Transporter", its Xyz Materials are sent to grave. When it comes back, its Materials remain in grave.

^thinks we should make in mandatory in the game tag to state if you want to play with TCG or OCG

I still have a question,

If I attack with ex. Utopia, my opponent activates dimensional prison, utopia gets banished but the materials go to grave right?
At least I think they go to the grave....

Moved and stickied.

If Xyz monster is removed from play by a card such as Bottomless Trap Hole or Dimensional Prison the Materials are still sent to grave.

So in TCG does that mean if my opponent had a Rank 5 monster with Cyber Dragon as an Xyz material, I could use it as part of Chimeratech Fortress Dragon?

No you can't Xyz Materials are considered to be on the field but not considered to be monsters, they have no effects also.

Badass_Bunny wrote:No you can't Xyz Materials are considered to be on the field but not considered to be monsters, they have no effects also.

The rulings say you can use a Cyber Dragon equipped to Relinquished as an equip card, why is Xyz material different??

I'm not sure I follow you here? You mean you can use Cyber Dragon equipped to relinquished for Contact Fusion?

Yeah, unless I'm reading this wrong:
yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Chimeratech_Fortress_Dragon

You may send "Cyber Dragon" equipped to "Relinquished" to the Graveyard to Special Summon "Chimeratech Fortress Dragon".

Yu-Gio wrote:I still have a question,

If I attack with ex. Utopia, my opponent activates dimensional prison, utopia gets banished but the materials go to grave right?
At least I think they go to the grave....

Utopia is the worst example since you could use his effect to stop himself and make D Prison fizzle.....

KingGainer wrote:

Yu-Gio wrote:I still have a question,

If I attack with ex. Utopia, my opponent activates dimensional prison, utopia gets banished but the materials go to grave right?
At least I think they go to the grave....

Utopia is the worst example since you could use his effect to stop himself and make D Prison fizzle.....

First of all you can't use Utopia to stop itself it's Trigger effect not a Quick one

Also After looking more into it, I believe you can use Cyber Dragon who is treated as Xyz Material for Summon of Chimeratech. But you can't use machine type Xyz Material to Contact Fusion.

Example

You can't use your on field Cyber Dragon with your opponent Red Gadget and Yellow Gadgets who are Xyz Materials of Number 39. Utipia

For someone using my Ukitake Signature i think you did well ._. lol

Oh awesome signature is awesome...

Badass_Bunny wrote:First of all you can't use Utopia to stop itself it's Trigger effect not a Quick one

I do believe Yuma using Utopia's effect to stop its own attack in order to activate his trap in the anime. Or is this just a bad example from the anime ?
But in my opinion, even if Utopia "can" stop itself, it will not survive the Dimensional Prison. The attack declaration is the only card activation condition for Dimensional Prison. After it activated, t.... I suggest this is a wrong example either because the effect banished the attacking monster.

Other case, if Utopia really can stop itself.
It declared an attack and responded with Mirror Force.
Unlike Dimensional Prison, the effect is "destroy all attack position your opponent control" if I remembered it correctly.
I think that Utopia can't survive the Mirror Force.
Am I right ?

Utopia is a trigger as I sad not an effect monster so he can only activate in response to attack declaration not in response to cards like D-Prison or Mirror Force.

if don't believe badass_bunny here's the article to prove it
article to prove

look for the alert part

Baddass bunny is correct: When Utopia attacks, it has a chance to stop its own attack. However, if D.prison or mirror force are activated after turn player has given away his priority, that chance is gone and utopia can't chain to Prison/mirror, so it gets eaten by those cards.
Remember, Utopia's eff trigger is the same timing as D. prion, mirror (attack declaration), so if Utopia stops its own attack opponent cannot activate mirror/prison even if he wanted to.

Red_Chaos wrote:if don't believe badass_bunny here's the article to prove it
article to prove

look for the alert part

The alert part says the same thing as me you can't use Utopia effect in response to anything else except attack declaration

Good topic. +1 for collecting all the rules. These can be useful for those whose are new with Exceeds.

P.S.: Glad I'm an OCG player.

Yeah I'm looking to update is as much as possible with the rulings...

BTW fricken OCG you actually have a game that isn't screwed up like hell

snack wrote:

Badass_Bunny wrote:No you can't Xyz Materials are considered to be on the field but not considered to be monsters, they have no effects also.

The rulings say you can use a Cyber Dragon equipped to Relinquished as an equip card, why is Xyz material different??

I believe this question remained unanswered, so I will try to answer it here.

Chimeratech Fortress Dragon requires a card named Cyber Dragon and one or more other Machine-Type monsters. It just requires the card name to be on the field, and by being an Equip Spell, Cyber Dragon does not lose it's name. What remains to be debated here is if the Exceed material monsters lose their identity or not. This is still a confusing part of the Exceed Summon process.

P.S: Nobody ill convince me to call them Xyz, so don't mention me calling them Exceeds as a mistake.

Exceed don't exist it was just bad translation .

I sent and E-Mail to konami and on official Konami Judge group on Facebook they have noted how Xyz Material work the same way as if equipped to Relinquished so you should be able to herp derp with glads. However they have no effects, Stats or Types when Overlay units however nothing is said about their names

so if my xyz gets destroyed is the material monster consider destroyed or sent to the graveyard?

A common question in OCG about Exceeds:

- Does Dandylion gets its effect when it was removed from the field why it is an Overlay Unit?
- Yes, it gets its effect. The reason is that Dandylion's effect activates when it was sent to the Graveyard, and there is no criteric about being, or even hit the field. So Dandylion's effect activates when it was sent to the Graveyard directly from your Deck, or as an Overlay Unit.

Another question:

- Does Dimensional Fissure activates when an Overlay Unit is removed from the field?
- No. In OCG, the Overlay Units are not treated as being on the field, but other important thing is that they are not treated as Monster Cards while they are Overlay Units. In this case, any monster which is sent to the Graveyard while it was an Overlay Unit is always sent to the Graveyard, even if Dimensional Fissure is activated, but removed from play when Macro Cosmos, or Banisher of Radiance is the removal card on the field.

Xyz Materials are sent to graveyard and not destroyed

This is exactly everything needed to use XYZs really wrapped into one convenient post.

Wish it could be stickied just so no one gets confused anymore...

It is stickied my friend

Then half of this week's posts have become redundant then!

Their latest ruling on Xyz monsters doesn't make sense considering the monsters used as the material monsters "are" still on the field

Yes it doesn't make sense but at least the game is better now...

Badass_Bunny wrote:
1. Dueling Network follows TCG Rules and Rulings.

1. Rulings state that "Xyz material monsters are not on the field"

*This means cards like Sangan and Goblin Zombie won't get their effects when detached from Xyz monster

I disagree on that one,

Konami hasn't confirmed anything about cards such as Sangan getting their effects or not, it's a rumor from a magazine. People probably read such a thing in the sorry Tour Guide thread. All that was said that they are not treated as being on the field, Konami hasn't given any official ruling about this so it's unclear if we can use Sangan etc effect when detached or not.
I'm sorry, but you guys are basing this on a single sentence in a Shonen Jump, the magazine is good but it only says: ''Xyz material monsters are not on the field''.

Nobody knows if any engine like Sanguide is dead, it's just one single sentence in a Shonen Jump, wait till Konami moves before making such rule changes.

No offense meant to anyone in this post, I've known Badass_Bunny for a while, not trying to insult him either.

If I said anything wrong, like if Konami did give an official TCG Xyz ruling, then please give me a link, I didn't type this to make anyone angry or pissed or something alike, I'm just trying to make a point.

In conclusion, I think we're jumping to conclusions too fast, it's weird to change the most powerful engine ever into a weak only decent engine.
Can't wait for Konami to confirm things for us.

New Rulebook(Page 45)

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/YGO_RuleBook_EN-v8.pdf


And The Article

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3195

Badass_Bunny wrote:Yes it doesn't make sense but at least the game is better now...

I doubt it because I'm pretty sure everyone is going to get confused and also not like that ruling as well.

Badass_Bunny wrote:New Rulebook(Page 45)

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook/YGO_RuleBook_EN-v8.pdf


And The Article

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/articles/?p=3195

Thanks, wasn't aware Konami stated it official, sorry for the hassle.

Glad to see the ruling was updated so fast.

Thank you for this post ^_^ really helpful

If I understand correctly, Pikachu's Fairy Deck now needs Tour Guide, Gold Sarcophagus, and Genex Ally Birdman in the opening 6 cards to work. He's probably gonna switch to zombies.

I found it funny ever since this ruling change happened I found a couple of Tour Guides on ebay for five dollars.

My friend keeps on saying he feels cheated by Konami even though he has yet to buy a pack of EXVC.

Good times man.

i like the new rulings. i have 2 tourguides and 3 Tengu. its nice that neither get the effects anymore. its broken enough as it is. playing closer to OCG as possible is always a good thing.

this is interesting

This topic needs update.
PS: Utopia can stops its own attacks

Utopia can stop its own attacks, but it has to use priority. Negating is Spell Speed 1, so it won't stop D-Prison or another trap of the type. Negating itself is only really feasible to detatch a fourth Lightsworn or something.

Correct

Thanks

Thanks a lot ,, i've been getting crazy cause of this ><

I have had a few duels about the XYZs and their materials not getting effect s but i found it out on my academy site that im on