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Post  XinWarrior 2011-08-15, 03:25

ok i got a deck destruction deck, and im kinda unsure if it would be a tie or not. If i use morphing jars eff over nd over again until neither me or my opponent can draw a card bt i draw a card at the beginning of my turn would it be a tie in the middle of my turn or do i win when i end my turn?

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Post  Rainbow Haruka 2011-08-15, 04:12

The rules clearly state that if you cannot draw a card In your draw phase then you lose, so no you would not lose by drawing cards from an effect.
Far as I know it is impossible to tie a game via deck out.
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Post  kyubey 2011-08-15, 04:24

*fix me if i'm wrong* (i'm not 100% sure)

scene 1...................

both player deck = 40 cards

1st player turn (left: 34....while the 2nd player: 35)

if the 1st player "somehow" able to abuse morphing jar (7 times) in the 1st turn
the 1st player will lose because the 1st player have 4 card in his deck
(you need to draw 5....but you nly have 4 cards left in deck...1st player lose)


scene 2........................

at ? turn both player have 4 cards left in their deck
so, if morphing jar is flipped both player lose? NO
the player that flipped morphing jar 1st will lose
(either by battle...card effect or the controller flipped it)

reason: because the 1st player that flipped morphing will get it's effect 1st
and he lost because he can't draw anymore
(the other player didn't draw at all because the 1st one flipped that jar already lost)

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Post  Rainbow Haruka 2011-08-15, 04:29

Kyubey, Those examples are wrong.
Like I said in my first post, the rules state that you only lose if you cannot draw a card during your Draw phase (IE, the first thing you do during your turn) Having to draw due to Morphing Jar or any such effect while you have zero cards in your deck will not cause you to lose.
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Post  SillyDude 2011-08-15, 04:32

you know what, just run pots of avarice incase.
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Post  Spoon 2011-08-15, 04:36

Derpy Hooves wrote:The rules clearly state that if you cannot draw a card In your draw phase then you lose, so no you would not lose by drawing cards from an effect.
Far as I know it is impossible to tie a game via deck out.
Wrong: *click*
Your opponent runs out of cards in their Main Deck when he/she is required to draw a card during their Draw Phase or via a card effect.
I suppose when it comes to something basic as this even the Wiki is correct at times... hopefully.
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Post  XinWarrior 2011-08-15, 04:51

book of eclipse makes ur opponent draw more cards than u, but thats not the point, so u can only lose through deck out by not being able to draw during the draw phase right?

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Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-08-15, 05:02


A deck out is defined as when a player has to 'draw' a card and is unable to.

If the effect of Morphing Jar was activated and you were unable to draw the 5 cards, you would deck out and lose the game. If both you and your opponent were unable to draw 5 cards, the result would be a draw.

If Card Destruction were activated and you couldn't draw the same amount of cards that you discarded for its effect, you'd lose. Likewise if both you and your opponent couldn't draw the same amount of cards that you each discarded (respectively), it'd be a draw game.

If you activated Hand Destruction with 2 cards remaining in your deck and your opponent chained Gift of Greed or another Hand Destruction, you'd deck out when the effect of Hand Destruction resolved because you wouldn't be able to draw the 2 cards.

If you had no cards left in your deck and during your draw phase you were unable to draw, you would deck out and lose.

If an effect like a LIghtsworn monster requires you to send 3 cards from the top of your deck to the graveyard and you only have 2 cards left in your deck, you send the 2 cards you have and you don't deck out right then because your not 'drawing' any cards. You wouldn't deck out until the next time you were required to draw a card and were unable to.
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