Black rose dragonand book of moon vs skill drain.. ruling question

Ok so I was dueling this dude and I had skill drain active, he summons Rose, use effect(wtf) then chains book of moon to Rose's effect(wtf) and says because Rose is now facedown its not affected by skill drain. I'm like wtf?? How does he even activate Rose's eff while skill drain his active? And after he book of moons it how would he get to use its effect while facedown.... No one in chat would help with this so I just let him go on with it, and I ended up losing from the Rose bomb... can someone tell me if that was a legal move by him? lol

Yes it is 100% legal.

Skill Drain does not negate the activation of card effects. It will only negate the effect of face-up monsters trying to resolve an effect.

In this situation Black Rose is free to activate its effect (Skill Drain does not stop this). By chaining Book of Moon, Black Rose is flipped face-down. Now when Black Rose resolves its effect, Skill Drain will not be able to negate it since Black Rose is now face-down on the field.

Ahh never knew it didn't negate the activation of card effects.. Looks like I was just a noob again >.< Thanks for clearing that up

The Detonator wrote:Yes it is 100% legal.

Skill Drain does not negate the activation of card effects.

You mean Skill Drain doesn't prevent Black Rose's effect from activating

Ahh.... !! Well... mostly monster need to be face-up for effect resolves, still, I don't get it why Zombie Master is an exception...

But seems that BlackRose avoiding BoM is legal.. it justs..... unusual...

TheVoid wrote:Necrobumping. Locked.

If someone necrobumps, it's fine if the question will valid. Which is the reason all of the ruling questions were unlocked.

I already checked with TamA.

Unlocked

kangtuji wrote:Ahh.... !! Well... mostly monster need to be face-up for effect resolves, still, I don't get it why Zombie Master is an exception...

But seems that BlackRose avoiding BoM is legal.. it justs..... unusual...

Zombie master is an exception because Konami specifically ruled it like that. Basically, Because Konami Said So.

Other cards are not subject to the same rulings as him regarding this matter, and are generally not comparable to it.

huh... ?

sorry, didn't realize its a necro topic until >>6 said.

As I see its was placed on the top thread. I think there is another ghost bump thread too

Sorry, again I didn't realize if this is old topic, but I swear this thread was placed on the top of rulings section

Again I am sorry... probably me being messed up after looking old rulings, and mistake top thread as in page 1 which actually not ...

Again I am so sorry

TamA wrote:

kangtuji wrote:Ahh.... !! Well... mostly monster need to be face-up for effect resolves, still, I don't get it why Zombie Master is an exception...

But seems that BlackRose avoiding BoM is legal.. it justs..... unusual...

Zombie master is an exception because Konami specifically ruled it like that. Basically, Because Konami Said So.

Other cards are not subject to the same rulings as him regarding this matter, and are generally not comparable to it.

Rare case of you being wrong Tama.

The ruling for Zombie Master is not BKSS. When Zombie Master was brought over to the TCG, they left out the clause in its effect that specifically states that Zombie Master must remain face up on the field. UDE/Konami had to make a ruling to state this so that Zombie Master would actually work as designed.

EDIT: More on topic: Skill Drain does not negate any activation of monster effects. It only prevents them from resolving, hence why effects like Exiled Force, Honest, and Spore can resolve properly. Book of Moon or other cards that turn monsters face down can make it so anything else can attempt to resolve their own effects by not being face up.

god I can't believe I ever asked this retarded question... lmfao

Tsunayoshi wrote:

TamA wrote:

kangtuji wrote:Ahh.... !! Well... mostly monster need to be face-up for effect resolves, still, I don't get it why Zombie Master is an exception...

But seems that BlackRose avoiding BoM is legal.. it justs..... unusual...

Zombie master is an exception because Konami specifically ruled it like that. Basically, Because Konami Said So.

Other cards are not subject to the same rulings as him regarding this matter, and are generally not comparable to it.

Rare case of you being wrong Tama.

The ruling for Zombie Master is not BKSS. When Zombie Master was brought over to the TCG, they left out the clause in its effect that specifically states that Zombie Master must remain face up on the field. UDE/Konami had to make a ruling to state this so that Zombie Master would actually work as designed.

Well, yea... For practical issues, the ruling is correct anyway. I only forgot that part of the translation fail from their part and thought it was a BKSS instead. But bottom end, they still have do say that it worked that way, didn't they? Lol.

TamA wrote:

Tsunayoshi wrote:

TamA wrote:

kangtuji wrote:Ahh.... !! Well... mostly monster need to be face-up for effect resolves, still, I don't get it why Zombie Master is an exception...

But seems that BlackRose avoiding BoM is legal.. it justs..... unusual...

Zombie master is an exception because Konami specifically ruled it like that. Basically, Because Konami Said So.

Other cards are not subject to the same rulings as him regarding this matter, and are generally not comparable to it.

Rare case of you being wrong Tama.

The ruling for Zombie Master is not BKSS. When Zombie Master was brought over to the TCG, they left out the clause in its effect that specifically states that Zombie Master must remain face up on the field. UDE/Konami had to make a ruling to state this so that Zombie Master would actually work as designed.

Well, yea... For practical issues, the ruling is correct anyway. I only forgot that part of the translation fail from their part and thought it was a BKSS instead. But bottom end, they still have do say that it worked that way, didn't they? Lol.

The ruling would become moot if Konami gives Zombie Master the problem solving text, but they would have to get around to doing the erratas to the rest of the monster effects they have yet to change over.

What's Honest and Spore doing here? Their effect activates and resolves in grave, only Spore and Infernity Avenger after using their effects and SS themselves to the field that has Skill Drain already face-up will revert back to level 1.

Metta World Peace wrote:god I can't believe I ever asked this retarded question... lmfao

Sorry dude, it was accident, doesn't meant to reviving old thread

Tsunayoshi wrote:EDIT: More on topic: Skill Drain does not negate any activation of monster effects. It only prevents them from resolving, hence why effects like Exiled Force, Honest, and Spore can resolve properly. Book of Moon or other cards that turn monsters face down can make it so anything else can attempt to resolve their own effects by not being face up.

Also add skill drain and prisma

Most of my opp ragequits after I use skill drain on them, and later turns... I summon e-hero prisma, activating his effect, sending the monster from deck to grave, saying skill drain doesn't stopping prisma activating his effect (I also mention, his name changes are negated)

BlackwingRa wrote:What's Honest and Spore doing here? Their effect activates and resolves in grave, only Spore and Infernity Avenger after using their effects and SS themselves to the field that has Skill Drain already face-up will revert back to level 1.

Honest and friends activate in hand and resolve in the grave. I mentioned them because I know there is someone on this site that doesnt know that.

Like you for instance.

Honest and friends like him activates in hand and resolves in hand. Effects always resolves at the place it is activated. And I forgot that I mention Honest and Spore in the 1st sentence. The 2nd sentence is for Infernity Avenger and Spore and things like them.

Effects always resolve at the same place you active it.

BlackwingRa wrote:What's Honest and Spore doing here? Their effect activates and resolves in grave, only Spore and Infernity Avenger after using their effects and SS themselves to the field that has Skill Drain already face-up will revert back to level 1.

Skill Drain or Veiler won't reduce Spore back to level 1.

That's funny, cause I as remember it does, and I'm sure it does.

same thing as with prisma vs effect negation:
The effect already took place and resolved properly, Prisma keeps the copied name if negated afterwards and spore keeps his level if negated afterwards

If Elemental Hero Prisma’s [sic] effect activates and resolves and later that turn Skill Drain is activated, Elemental Hero Prisma [sic] will still retain the Fusion Material Monster’s name since the effect has already been applied

Effect negating will return the number of stars to its original amount

Key wrote:Effect negating will return the number of stars to its original amount

and now you'll also tell us why?

Compare Spore with Prisma, Prisma has the above quoted ruling. Both have in common that they only have an ignition effect, not a continous one that is applied or anything. Once resolved properly they keep the gained stats because of that.

Avenger is quite the same with Spore, and his level revert back to 1 when his effect gets negated.

Prisma is quite different
I don't know why, but name changes will not be affected by effect negation as long as the effect resolves properly

If effect negation will return Spore in particular to it's own Level than they are doing it wrong at YCS.

Key wrote:Prisma is quite different
I don't know why, but name changes will not be affected by effect negation as long as the effect resolves properly

I'd say its BKSS if Konami cant give a proper explanation.

Either way, its a moot point since its only when Skill Drain is chained to Prisma.

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/blog/?p=6050

CTRL+F and Type Effect Veiler, than read that part, it clearly states that Veiler(and any form of negation) can't drop Spore back to 1. Now due to the lack of any better source I believe this is as official as it gets, being a BKSS. Infernity Avenger works differently apparently.

That's also on their facebook page which claims to be unofficial.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=987495&highlight=spore+veiler

Beside, although this can't always be trusted, the video games also show that Spore's level will be reset back to 1 if its effect is negated.

Key wrote:That's also on their facebook page which claims to be unofficial.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=987495&highlight=spore+veiler

Unofficial doesn't necessarally make it wrong.

oh great...

totally forgot avanger. I've always got with what I read in those blogs and feature matches and explained it with the Prisma ruling.

I can understand both sides equally, thare are simply 2 contradicting rulings to compare. As for me, I'll stay with what I'm used to.^^

Badass_Bunny wrote:

Key wrote:That's also on their facebook page which claims to be unofficial.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=987495&highlight=spore+veiler

Unofficial doesn't necessarally make it wrong.

It doesn't, but we do have a similar card with an official ruling
So we go along with the official ones