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Post  shonenhikada 2012-02-09, 16:35


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Should this card come back to 1 ?
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Post  Phoenix Wright 2012-02-09, 16:41

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Post  mido9 2012-02-09, 16:57

Wright,is it wrong that your sig has it's own personalized scrollbar?

Can go to 1 with no impact on the meta.

Nobody would run 1 sinister serpent and 3 raigeki break since that's essentially giving consistency a massive middle finger in exchange for turning -1 plays into whopping +0 trap removal that only becomes a +0 the next turn,and the only thing that can use this without raigeki breaks is brionac,and few competitive decks can make brionac consistently,can run sinister consistently,and brionac rarely survives for more than one turn in today's meta.
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Post  Phoenix Wright 2012-02-09, 17:01

They lowered the sig size, so large sigs come in scrollbar form


welllll maybe he can come back, but if he does, everyone will run raigeki break in 3's
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Post  HarleyThomas 2012-02-09, 17:02

Yes. And there'd be next to no harm done.

Summon Brionac and get ONE free discard? Oh my God, send it to the moon. You don't even get it back 'til the next turn and by then you've already depleted your hand bouncing back your opponents cards.

Remember when Lightning Vortex was good, but suddenly became bad because oh no you had to discard a single card to potentially clear your opponents field of monsters? Old tech becomes viable.

You know how Dragunity's kind of suck? This would give them a slight boost. Nothing at all gamebreaking, but they might move up a notch or two.

Try at one and see where it goes from there.
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Post  mido9 2012-02-09, 17:02

Phoenix Wright wrote:They lowered the sig size, so large sigs come in scrollbar form


welllll maybe he can come back, but if he does, everyone will run raigeki break in 3's

Then they draw raigeki breaks without serpent and serpent without raigeki breaks and i laugh.
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Post  HarleyThomas 2012-02-09, 17:03

Raigeki Break sucks anyways. Serpent or not.
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Post  3E-hero neos 2012-02-09, 17:07

Although you won't be able to consistently get Brionac all the time, a single of this bad boy in the Grave makes Raigeki Break and Jammer and many more weak cards atm extremely powerful!

On the other side, there are plenty of broken cards with broken combo's, Volcanic Shell can produce multiple fodders in your hand in a single turn(although you need multiple copies). AND you can never say: This card makes this card good(relying on one card, in this case Sinister Serpent to do a bunch of moves). It's like saying: BLS is extremely balanced because Warning, Judgment, BTH, Torrential, Chaos Trap Hole, Compulsory, etc get rid of it. It just doesn't justify the fact the card is still broken. In this case, although you have an easy fodder, you still have cards with a discard cost that entirely rely on this. If you cannot get this in the grave or keep it there then a lot of other cards would become a -1 like they are now.

All in all, I think it's decent to bring this thing back.

/Edit: Harley pretty much summed up my post, if you don't get me, look at his post.

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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-09, 22:25

Troll Reply:
Hurr Durr PUT EET @3 Hurr Durr!?!1!1!!

Serious Reply:
The 83% people who voted yes on the poll, are...well, retarded.

Lets just think about this this, without taking into consideration any cards that discard. This card is good on its own. I mean, +1 each SP? Yes please?!!

Now, let us dissect this little sinister reptile.
WATER = WATER Support. Skreech? Abyss Soldier anyone?
Level 1 = 141 any1? Piper anyone? Glow-up bulb + This = Formula.
Reptile = Reptile Support. Offering to the Snake Deity? Snake Rain? Alien Brain?!
Low stats = Sangan, Mother Grizzly & even Oshaleon.
And now, the effect it self: Anything that discards as cost or not, becomes much better. Turns Vortex into a +0. Card Destruction, Morphing Jar etc. You get the idea.

Now, do you guys still think it should go back to 1?
Good card is very good, but KONAMI put it there for a reason. Sorry to crush your dreams. =P
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Post  ZombiehKing 2012-02-09, 23:53

I could see it happen, but yet then that would pretty much any effect that involves discard free. so maybeh not
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2012-02-10, 00:04

Bring it back to 1 and no one gives a damn, bring it back to 2 and than we can talk.
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Post  DefiniteOtaku 2012-02-10, 00:23

Badass_Bunny wrote:Bring it back to 1 and no one gives a damn, bring it back to 2 and than we can talk.

The issue in a nutshell.
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Post  Miror B. 2012-02-10, 01:25

Willmaster wrote:Troll Reply:
Hurr Durr PUT EET @3 Hurr Durr!?!1!1!!

Serious Reply:
The 83% people who voted yes on the poll, are...well, retarded.

Lets just think about this this, without taking into consideration any cards that discard. This card is good on its own. I mean, +1 each SP? Yes please?!!

Now, let us dissect this little sinister reptile.
WATER = WATER Support. Skreech? Abyss Soldier anyone?
Level 1 = 141 any1? Piper anyone? Glow-up bulb + This = Formula.
Reptile = Reptile Support. Offering to the Snake Deity? Snake Rain? Alien Brain?!
Low stats = Sangan, Mother Grizzly & even Oshaleon.
And now, the effect it self: Anything that discards as cost or not, becomes much better. Turns Vortex into a +0. Card Destruction, Morphing Jar etc. You get the idea.
Almost exactly like Treeborn Frog! Very Happy

Only treeborn doesn't require bad cards to be good
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Post  MK_ultra 2012-02-10, 01:41

yep this card in almost forsaken to being banned just like cyber or fiber jar the reason it is is because its always a plus one along with whatever you draw so i dont c it coming back.

also along those lines why is it than all these banned card to one threads popping up is it because konami brought back BLS which alot of people never thought would come of list is giving people hope?
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Post  DarkRiku 2012-02-10, 01:45

Badass_Bunny wrote:Bring it back to 1 and no one gives a damn, bring it back to 2 and than we can talk.

I agree with this post. All has to do with the way the game changes throughout the years.

If this came back limited I wouldn't fill my deck up with -1s thinking Serpent was going to give me some type of automatic victory because of it.

I mean look at BLS. Even with it back at 1 has it truly made an impact on the game that people thought it would because I haven't seen it happen yet.
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Post  AsherpotterCOPY 2012-02-10, 02:26

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Post  MrChillmatic 2012-02-10, 04:21

It can come back.

It's not like it's creating infinite discard fodder like 2 Night Assailant can.
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Post  mido9 2012-02-10, 04:36

Willmaster wrote:Troll Reply:
Hurr Durr PUT EET @3 Hurr Durr!?!1!1!!

Serious Reply:
The 83% people who voted yes on the poll, are...well, retarded.

Lets just think about this this, without taking into consideration any cards that discard. This card is good on its own. I mean, +1 each SP? Yes please?!!

What would you do with that +1? Set it and wait on it? Use reviving tuners on it while you keep wasting your normal summon on serpent when you could do better?

Now, let us dissect this little sinister reptile.
WATER = WATER Support. Skreech? Abyss Soldier anyone
Both are awful

Level 1 = 141 any1? Piper anyone? Glow-up bulb + This = Formula.
Why are you 141ing it and not glow up/spore/piper? Piper doesnt need it. There are better alternatives like dandylion for a formula that dont take your normal summon on serpent.
Reptile = Reptile Support. Offering to the Snake Deity? Snake Rain? Alien Brain?!
Nobody would run any of those cards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,and reptile is a horrible type with subpar support anyway.

Low stats = Sangan, Mother Grizzly & even Oshaleon.
Why are you searching serpent and not lonefire/hornet/dragonfly/rat/tourguide/etc? Why sinister serpent and not sea lancer,and who would run grizzly just for serpent,even moreso for oshaleon.

And now, the effect it self: Anything that discards as cost or not, becomes much better. Turns Vortex into a +0. Card Destruction, Morphing Jar etc. You get the idea.
Nobody would run anything that discards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,that's just a consistency glug since if he doesnt get serpent then yay -1s,and with serpent he only gets a +0 on an average effect(Raigeki break is slow and meh,Phoenix wing makes you still on the same number of cards as your opponent so it isnt a +1,etc) and nobody would run Jar,card destruction and etc for serpent.

Now, do you guys still think it should go back to 1?
Yes.
Good card is very good, but KONAMI put it there for a reason. Sorry to crush your dreams. =P

Not good enough.

MK_ultra wrote:yep this card in almost forsaken to being banned just like cyber or fiber jar the reason it is is because its always a plus one along with whatever you draw so i dont c it coming back.

What would you do with a sinister serpent in hand with nothing to discard it/use it with,it's there but what will you do with it? It's kind of empty advantage on it's own and more of a +0.5 without things to use it,and nobody would kill his consistency by running -1s on the hope he gets serpent,and even then he gets a not at all broken +0.

Asher was obviously +1 post counting with a whopping 3 letters in a post.
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Post  kangtuji 2012-02-10, 05:28

mmm.... sinister HERO sounds good....

Sinister Serpent to 1 in March Happy-smile-s

But Sinister Serpent to 1 in March Misc-female-seriously-glasses-s I don't think Sinister can return to 1

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Post  RareHunter 2012-02-10, 09:44

i will say No. If u want it come back (even at 1) it means u never get Turn Lockdown (not Yata-Lock).

You: i have JD, i have BLS, so What?
Your Opponent: i've Serpent and Treeborn, no MP, BP, MP2, just EP for you
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Post  MrChillmatic 2012-02-10, 10:17

RareHunter wrote:i will say No. If u want it come back (even at 1) it means u never get Turn Lockdown (not Yata-Lock).

You: i have JD, i have BLS, so What?
Your Opponent: i've Serpent and Treeborn, no MP, BP, MP2, just EP for you

What ?
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Post  RareHunter 2012-02-10, 10:36

Sinister Serpent + Treeborn Frog = Yata-Lock
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Post  MrChillmatic 2012-02-10, 10:45

Lol, how does that even work ?
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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-10, 10:47


What would you do with that +1? Set it and wait on it? Use reviving tuners on it while you keep wasting your normal summon on serpent when you could do better?

What I meant was, even without any cards but serpent in your grave, you still have something to protect you, and a +1 each turn. I know you can do better.

Both are awful

Your awful. Those are ways to use him as a WATER monster, and ways to dump him to the graveyard. Do you recall why abyss soldier was on the banlist?

Why are you 141ing it and not glow up/spore/piper? Piper doesnt need it. There are better alternatives like dandylion for a formula that dont take your normal summon on serpent.

Again, am only stating that he can be used in conjunction with those cards. That doesn't mean there isn't better options. It just means he is abusable in more ways than one.

Nobody would run any of those cards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,and reptile is a horrible type with subpar support anyway.

Your a horrible type; Reptiles are epic. And, am NOT saying play those cards only to dump him to grave. I am saying you can use sinister serpent in a reptile deck and make +0s turn to +1s. Again, those cards are just useful cards that could be used in conjunction with him, that does NOT mean you should run them because you run him.

Why are you searching serpent and not lonefire/hornet/dragonfly/rat/tourguide/etc? Why sinister serpent and not sea lancer,and who would run grizzly just for serpent,even moreso for oshaleon.

*Facepalm*

Those are ways of searching him due to low stats. Those searchers have him as another target, thus giving the player more options. You search lancer imma search serpent, it depends on what deck your running.


Nobody would run anything that discards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,that's just a consistency glug since if he doesnt get serpent then yay -1s,and with serpent he only gets a +0 on an average effect(Raigeki break is slow and meh,Phoenix wing makes you still on the same number of cards as your opponent so it isnt a +1,etc) and nobody would run Jar,card destruction and etc for serpent.

I have to ask , are you an idiot?
Dude, those are not meant to be run in the hope of getting serpent-serpent makes them -1s to +0s & +0s to +1s. Am saying, anything that discards used on him would result in a better advantage than usual. Your not running Jar & Card Des. to use serpent; your running them & serpent, and if he happens to be in your hand then that makes their effects a lot better and makes up for any discards.


I shouldn't have had to explain all that.
Disappointing No
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Post  Saturn 2012-02-10, 10:48

RareHunter wrote:i will say No. If u want it come back (even at 1) it means u never get Turn Lockdown (not Yata-Lock).

You: i have JD, i have BLS, so What?
Your Opponent: i've Serpent and Treeborn, no MP, BP, MP2, just EP for you

Okay, I'll just point this out:

BLS can banish them.
JD can destroy them without attacking.

Your logic = false.
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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-10, 11:01

Saturn wrote:
RareHunter wrote:i will say No. If u want it come back (even at 1) it means u never get Turn Lockdown (not Yata-Lock).

You: i have JD, i have BLS, so What?
Your Opponent: i've Serpent and Treeborn, no MP, BP, MP2, just EP for you

Okay, I'll just point this out:

BLS can banish them.
JD can destroy them without attacking.

Your logic = false.

You = Stupid.
He is talking about the World Lock-down. Your opponent cant banish or destroy them if he cant go into his MP 1/2 xD
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Post  RareHunter 2012-02-10, 11:03

How could u banish them and destroy them? u can't enter your MP1 nor MP2, just enter End Phase by Sinister Serpent + Treeborn Frog every turn go to grave

MrChillmatic wrote:Lol, how does that even work
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Post  Saturn 2012-02-10, 11:13

Ah you're talking about the Arcan Force thing lock.
Lol that you think that's even a remotely good arguement.
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Post  mido9 2012-02-10, 11:57

Willmaster wrote:
What would you do with that +1? Set it and wait on it? Use reviving tuners on it while you keep wasting your normal summon on serpent when you could do better?

What I meant was, even without any cards but serpent in your grave, you still have something to protect you, and a +1 each turn. I know you can do better.

So your idea of using him is as a reviving wall that comes back every turn and wastes your normal summon? Oh god brokesauce.

Both are awful

Your awful. Those are ways to use him as a WATER monster, and ways to dump him to the graveyard. Do you recall why abyss soldier was on the banlist?

Are you actually going to say serpent warrior is going to be more than two ****s in today's meta and will actually top anything?

Why are you 141ing it and not glow up/spore/piper? Piper doesnt need it. There are better alternatives like dandylion for a formula that dont take your normal summon on serpent.

Again, am only stating that he can be used in conjunction with those cards. That doesn't mean there isn't better options. It just means he is abusable in more ways than one.

Abusable and useless.

Nobody would run any of those cards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,and reptile is a horrible type with subpar support anyway.

Your a horrible type; Reptiles are epic. And, am NOT saying play those cards only to dump him to grave. I am saying you can use sinister serpent in a reptile deck and make +0s turn to +1s. Again, those cards are just useful cards that could be used in conjunction with him, that does NOT mean you should run them because you run him.

Yay,you're gonna run T1 wind up,inzektor,plant and rabbit beating reptiles. No,just..no. No reptile deck will top because of sinister serpent coming back,reptiles are incredibly outclassed and even sea serpent is better.

Why are you searching serpent and not lonefire/hornet/dragonfly/rat/tourguide/etc? Why sinister serpent and not sea lancer,and who would run grizzly just for serpent,even moreso for oshaleon.

*Facepalm*

Those are ways of searching him due to low stats. Those searchers have him as another target, thus giving the player more options. You search lancer imma search serpent, it depends on what deck your running.

Again,what will you do with that extra option if it's void as an option unless you run inconsistent discard outlets,and even then yay another deck in the meta,good for us.

Nobody would run anything that discards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,that's just a consistency glug since if he doesnt get serpent then yay -1s,and with serpent he only gets a +0 on an average effect(Raigeki break is slow and meh,Phoenix wing makes you still on the same number of cards as your opponent so it isnt a +1,etc) and nobody would run Jar,card destruction and etc for serpent.

I have to ask , are you an idiot?
Dude, those are not meant to be run in the hope of getting serpent-serpent makes them -1s to +0s & +0s to +1s. Am saying, anything that discards used on him would result in a better advantage than usual. Your not running Jar & Card Des. to use serpent; your running them & serpent, and if he happens to be in your hand then that makes their effects a lot better and makes up for any discards.

No deck runs ANY discard outlets other than dark world, fabled,and plant in today's meta,and dark worlds/fabled can just use those discard outlets on grapha,snoww,broww,ganashia,cerburrel,krus and all the other option enablers,plants would rather discard dandy/spore/bulb etc and cant run SS without losing consistency either way. A +1 or 2 at the cost of massive consistency is completely not worth it when you could be running things that contribute to your main strategy and make +1s and 2s consistently and efficiently.
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Post  MrChillmatic 2012-02-10, 12:33

Oh, wasn't aware about that lock. It's not like it's very consistent or easy to achieve and certainly not the reason Sinister Serpent is banned.
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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-10, 12:56

mido9 wrote:
Willmaster wrote:
What would you do with that +1? Set it and wait on it? Use reviving tuners on it while you keep wasting your normal summon on serpent when you could do better?

What I meant was, even without any cards but serpent in your grave, you still have something to protect you, and a +1 each turn. I know you can do better.

So your idea of using him is as a reviving wall that comes back every turn and wastes your normal summon? Oh god brokesauce.

Both are awful

Your awful. Those are ways to use him as a WATER monster, and ways to dump him to the graveyard. Do you recall why abyss soldier was on the banlist?

Are you actually going to say serpent warrior is going to be more than two ****s in today's meta and will actually top anything?

Why are you 141ing it and not glow up/spore/piper? Piper doesnt need it. There are better alternatives like dandylion for a formula that dont take your normal summon on serpent.

Again, am only stating that he can be used in conjunction with those cards. That doesn't mean there isn't better options. It just means he is abusable in more ways than one.

Abusable and useless.

Nobody would run any of those cards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,and reptile is a horrible type with subpar support anyway.

Your a horrible type; Reptiles are epic. And, am NOT saying play those cards only to dump him to grave. I am saying you can use sinister serpent in a reptile deck and make +0s turn to +1s. Again, those cards are just useful cards that could be used in conjunction with him, that does NOT mean you should run them because you run him.

Yay,you're gonna run T1 wind up,inzektor,plant and rabbit beating reptiles. No,just..no. No reptile deck will top because of sinister serpent coming back,reptiles are incredibly outclassed and even sea serpent is better.

Why are you searching serpent and not lonefire/hornet/dragonfly/rat/tourguide/etc? Why sinister serpent and not sea lancer,and who would run grizzly just for serpent,even moreso for oshaleon.

*Facepalm*

Those are ways of searching him due to low stats. Those searchers have him as another target, thus giving the player more options. You search lancer imma search serpent, it depends on what deck your running.

Again,what will you do with that extra option if it's void as an option unless you run inconsistent discard outlets,and even then yay another deck in the meta,good for us.

Nobody would run anything that discards in the hope of getting sinister serpent,that's just a consistency glug since if he doesnt get serpent then yay -1s,and with serpent he only gets a +0 on an average effect(Raigeki break is slow and meh,Phoenix wing makes you still on the same number of cards as your opponent so it isnt a +1,etc) and nobody would run Jar,card destruction and etc for serpent.

I have to ask , are you an idiot?
Dude, those are not meant to be run in the hope of getting serpent-serpent makes them -1s to +0s & +0s to +1s. Am saying, anything that discards used on him would result in a better advantage than usual. Your not running Jar & Card Des. to use serpent; your running them & serpent, and if he happens to be in your hand then that makes their effects a lot better and makes up for any discards.

No deck runs ANY discard outlets other than dark world, fabled,and plant in today's meta,and dark worlds/fabled can just use those discard outlets on grapha,snoww,broww,ganashia,cerburrel,krus and all the other option enablers,plants would rather discard dandy/spore/bulb etc and cant run SS without losing consistency either way. A +1 or 2 at the cost of massive consistency is completely not worth it when you could be running things that contribute to your main strategy and make +1s and 2s consistently and efficiently.

Lemme sum it all up for you. A card(for example: Sinister Serpent) isn't classified as Broken or ab-usable because it works with all decks, its broken on its own? Yes. But, it is even more broken in the right deck. And am not saying it will top anything. I, am only stating how versatile Serpent is, on its own, in the right deck, or the wrong deck, and actually there is no wrong deck for him, unless your running a D.D. Deck. The thing is the more uses a card has the more broke it is. Serpent is capable of doing many things competently, and as long as there is cards that can use/abuse him, then he shall stay banned @0.
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2012-02-10, 12:58

There is no way to abuse it consistently at 1. There simply aren't.
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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-10, 13:07

Badass_Bunny wrote:There is no way to abuse it consistently at 1. There simply aren't.

*Double-Facepalm*

You are not running him to use him specifically, he is very useful overall. Consistent or not, he still is ab-usable. You can splash him into almost any deck, and he will most definitely help gain you some advantage at some point. Same for any other banned card. I mean, that's like saying Brain Control isn't broken and should be @1 because there is no way to abuse it consistently @1 o.O
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Post  mido9 2012-02-10, 13:11

Willmaster wrote:
Badass_Bunny wrote:There is no way to abuse it consistently at 1. There simply aren't.

*Double-Facepalm*

You are not running him to use him specifically, he is very useful overall. Consistent or not, he still is ab-usable. You can splash him into almost any deck, and he will most definitely help gain you some advantage at some point. Same for any other banned card. I mean, that's like saying Brain Control isn't broken and should be @1 because there is no way to abuse it consistently at 1 o.O

Except brain control is broken and works in most decks with good results and doesnt take consistency and is a powerful field clear and OTK engine that drains your opponent's resources.

Way to strawman.

Sinister serpent's advantage is garbage unless you run discarders,he's an empty +1 with no use.

And like i said,if it wont do anything to the meta no matter how supposedly versatile it is,it is fine at 40,but for now to 1 first.
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Post  Willmaster 2012-02-10, 13:35

mido9 wrote:
Willmaster wrote:
Badass_Bunny wrote:There is no way to abuse it consistently at 1. There simply aren't.

*Double-Facepalm*

You are not running him to use him specifically, he is very useful overall. Consistent or not, he still is ab-usable. You can splash him into almost any deck, and he will most definitely help gain you some advantage at some point. Same for any other banned card. I mean, that's like saying Brain Control isn't broken and should be @1 because there is no way to abuse it consistently at 1 o.O

Except brain control is broken and works in most decks with good results and doesnt take consistency and is a powerful field clear and OTK engine that drains your opponent's resources.

Way to strawman.

Sinister serpent's advantage is garbage unless you run discarders,he's an empty +1 with no use.

And like i said,if it wont do anything to the meta no matter how supposedly versatile it is,it is fine at 40,but for now to 1 first.

Yes, that's alright, nothing wrong with it. The thing is tho, what you don't seem to understand is that Sinister Serpent will not be unbanned, that is the card at hand not Brain Control. No matter how better than Serpent Brain Control is, doesn't change the fact that they both fall under the same category. They are both banned, and even tho you think it wont change much @1 KONAMI has their reasons for banning it in the first place back then before synchros, what makes you think they will unban it now? Although on second tought, they have unbanned BLS, who knows maybe they will unban serpent too next format; and then again maybe they wont. I guess, its just that guess work as long as we dont own KONAMI or YGO We cant be 100% Sure what will happen. Makes you wonder, why are we even posting in this thread!?!!

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Post  S.S.A. 2012-02-10, 14:09

serpent has no business being on the banlist, its painfully slow, has no inherent advantage other than sitting in your hand hoping that you draw into a card that needs a discard, and its been said before, but its pointless to run those cards just to discard with serpent, because those cards minus hard without him, and even if you have him in your hand you can only play one of them a turn. the only way he could even pretend to be good in a deck is if you ran him at 3 @1 isnt a problem
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Post  3E-hero neos 2012-02-10, 14:25

Only at 3 in entirely dedicated decks it works, and then it's still bad...
Been on the list for waaayyy too long, can come back to 1 million billion and I won't care.

Like said more times before, he's a slow empty +1.
Oh and if this card deserves to be banned, then so do it's superiors Bulb, Plague and Spore. At least those are not empty advantages, they are more broken(they are not broken, but just more broken then Serpent)and if this then deserves a Ban, so do they.
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Post  Adept VantageSP 2012-02-10, 15:01

Bad:
-Type
-Attibute
-Stats

I really see it not doing anything ground breaking if it is unbanned. Most decks might not even run it. Card was good with Graceful Charity and such, but tbh, not the best card.
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Post  Miror B. 2012-02-10, 15:51

I'm just gonna come back and say this is inferior to Treeborn Frog in about 10 different ways.
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2012-02-10, 15:58

Willmaster wrote:
Badass_Bunny wrote:There is no way to abuse it consistently at 1. There simply aren't.

*Double-Facepalm*

You are not running him to use him specifically, he is very useful overall. Consistent or not, he still is ab-usable. You can splash him into almost any deck, and he will most definitely help gain you some advantage at some point. Same for any other banned card. I mean, that's like saying Brain Control isn't broken and should be @1 because there is no way to abuse it consistently @1 o.O

How do you even begin to compare Brain Control to this? Brain Control isn't there to be abused the card is too good on it's own. Sinister serpent isn't. Without a proper way to use it it's just a weaker version of Treeborn Frog, and this card being limited would just kill any chance to use it consistently.

Or you really think this is splashable?
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Post  Adept VantageSP 2012-02-10, 16:18

Serpent is not splash-able anymore. He used to be with cards like Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo (for the random discard), etc. but he just aint that good anymore.
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Post  HarleyThomas 2012-02-10, 16:56

VantageSP wrote:Bad:
-Type
-Attibute
-Stats

I really see it not doing anything ground breaking if it is unbanned. Most decks might not even run it. Card was good with Graceful Charity and such, but tbh, not the best card.

Its Type isn't too bad. It would give Reptiles a real small boost which they could use, but overall everything else is bad.
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Post  Galkin 2012-02-10, 19:03

Sinister Serpent doesn't seem too bad compared to the current meta. He can constantly come back to the field but you need to use a normal summon, he can ease discarding effects, but not much are run in today's meta (Except for DW or fables).

He just doesn't have enough good stats to be broken. Even if he can constantly return to the hand; their will always be better choices over him when making a deck. If he was unbanned, he would only strengthen non-meta decks because of his versatile effect.

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Post  minervx 2012-02-10, 19:33

With Trishula, Black Rose Dragon, Dandylion, Brionac, Tour Guide and Hyperion, the standards for what is broken and what is not broken has changed.

Of course, NONE of those cards I listed above are broken.

Only older cards are broken.

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Post  Adept VantageSP 2012-02-10, 20:11

HarleyThomas wrote:
VantageSP wrote:Bad:
-Type
-Attibute
-Stats

I really see it not doing anything ground breaking if it is unbanned. Most decks might not even run it. Card was good with Graceful Charity and such, but tbh, not the best card.

Its Type isn't too bad. It would give Reptiles a real small boost which they could use, but overall everything else is bad.

Which is the thing, Reptile is a pretty niche type, so is Water for attributes.
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Post  DarkRiku 2012-02-11, 02:07

Sinister Serpent is one of those cards that suffers from the way the game has evolved. The way the game plays not just isn't favorable for it anymore.
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Post  RareHunter 2012-02-11, 04:38

this is just what different Meta minded Tournament and ordinary duelist that abuse a card. Very Happy but that lolzy seeing my opponent just saw my move in my turn and dont do anything in his turn Very Happy
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Post  Occultdude17 2012-02-11, 20:01

All cards can be made broken with enough time, patience and skill. The question is whether people can be bothered. In this case, I think the answer is no.

On a side note, couldn't Sinister Serpent be used to get out of Yata locks?
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Post  Barricade 2012-02-11, 21:23

Ive been lurking this thread for a while, I thought it should still be banned, but after seeing that it isnt really that useful anymore, i had second thoughts. But i would hate seeing this card with something like brionac on the field
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Post  Occultdude17 2012-02-11, 22:57

Barricade wrote:Ive been lurking this thread for a while, I thought it should still be banned, but after seeing that it isnt really that useful anymore, i had second thoughts. But i would hate seeing this card with something like brionac on the field

I hate seeing Brionac on the field, full stop. They should ban that instead of Serpent, or at least give us some cards that nerf it.

And I still think they should make this card so that we can have Yata back:

Bird Cage
Spell, Equip
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If this card is in your Graveyard when your opponent Summons a monster(s): you can activate it. Equip to a Winged-Beast-Type monster on the field: it cannot attack or be used as a Synchro Material, and its effect is negated.


Also takes Blackwings down a notch.
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