Mirror Gate

So I just heard Mirror Gate had a new ruling where it's now kinda a TG1-EM1. { ruling here; http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=996742&page=33 )

Would this ruling be acceptable for DN? I just want to know before I get into a long argument with someone about it.

It's a nice ruling if it's true, but still it's not NEARLY as good as TG1-EM1, who not only gives you the option to search when you kill your own monster, but is also a chainable card.

"When an opponent's monster declares an attack targeting a face-up "Elemental HERO" monster you control: Switch control of the opponent's attacking monster with the targeted monster you control, then calculate damage. Control of both monsters switches back during the End Phase."

KevinTewart wrote:
Take a close look at the revised text on Mirror Gate:
When an opponent's monster declares an attack targeting a face-up "Elemental HERO" monster you control: Switch control of the opponent's attacking monster with the targeted monster you control, then calculate damage. Control of both monsters switches back during the End Phase.


Remember that, under the new card text, the word "BOTH" is extremely important. It means that, when 2 cards are involved, you must perform the action to BOTH cards, or else nothing happens.

Which means the general flow of Mirror Gate will work like this:
1. Your Elemental HERO gets attacked by your opponent's (presumably stronger) monster.
2. You activate this card and switch control, taking your opponent's monster.
3. The non-HERO monster, which you control, presumably obliterates the HERO which was now controlled by your opponent.
4. Since it is impossible to switch control of BOTH cards in the End Phase (since the HERO was obliterated), you keep control of the monster formerly known as your opponent's monster.

Permanently.

Is that kevin dude, the same as kevin as I think ?

does this means ive been using mirror gate wrong all this time ?

Not necessary... its text changes, as is as in DN text are different from wiki

Supreme_King wrote:It's a nice ruling if it's true, but still it's not NEARLY as good as TG1-EM1, who not only gives you the option to search when you kill your own monster, but is also a chainable card.

I think it's as good as TG1-EM1. You steal your opponent's monster completely and your opponents are left with nothing since it forces the damage step which will destroy your (now your opponent actually) monster. With TG1-EM1 your opponent still gets a monster which they can synchro with MP2 if they want. Also, if they attack shining and destroy it, you get to get 2 heroes from your banished and a new monster.

TG are better at abusing the card though since it definitely has more searchers.

So DN wouldn't have the ruling?

@Raidoh: I think it's a more recent change that came with the rereleased ultra rare

@Kangtuji: So does it mean that the ruling is invalid in DN?

Not only is TG1-EM1 a better card because of the searchers, but also because it's chainable, which is a major factor in this format.

Mirror Gate is chainable and God knows that Heroes search support is much bigger than TG's. However the Mirror Gate activation timing is what kills it..

Chainable=able for activation in response to generic S/T destruction or at any given time in my book.

I don't think this is a ruling question

Moved to News and Gossip.

Key wrote:I don't think this is a ruling question

it is

Fayah wrote:So I just heard Mirror Gate had a new ruling where it's now kinda a TG1-EM1. { ruling here; http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=996742&page=33 )

Would this ruling be acceptable for DN? I just want to know before I get into a long argument with someone about it.

he wants to know if the ruling applies ingame


nobody answered it

The ruling stated by Kevin is a statement made based on the new official card text. The errata is on the latest print, which is the legendary collection. When the Legendary Collection cards are tournament legal (which I think they are right now) the new text and thus ruling apply.
DN just has not changed the text yet. The new ruling is TCG legal and DN plays TCG. So yes, the new should applies on DN. At least I will rule it this way as mod.

The reason why the effect is different now is by the newly added word BOTH. Both monsters have to be on the field for the returning effect to resolve now.

Oh updates,... DN already change the text...

But still lots people (this only one example, theres still many of them...) didn't fully understand this
They still want their monsters back at end phase,
In the end I've to bookmark this page and show to them

But regardless, since damage calcuation is being counted, means line like this or something simliar are invalid :

"espanicboy: i can choose to attack again or not"

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espanicboy: eff
espanicboy: wrong one sorry
espanicboy: good?
kangtuji: target
espanicboy: only have 1
kangtuji: chain
espanicboy: k
espanicboy: you get yours
espanicboy: i dont have a target to remove
kangtuji: he dies when he hit field
kangtuji: continue
espanicboy: ahh right no field card
espanicboy: k?
kangtuji: yes
espanicboy: ok
espanicboy has lost 1800 life points
espanicboy: 1
espanicboy: ?
espanicboy: ok
espanicboy has lost 2000 life points
espanicboy: 2
espanicboy: good?
kangtuji: go on
espanicboy: eff
espanicboy: synchro 6
espanicboy: mezuki eff
espanicboy: synchro 8
espanicboy: good?
kangtuji: continue
espanicboy: plague eff
espanicboy: scrap eff
kangtuji: destroy 2 cards ?
espanicboy: 1
kangtuji: 32
kangtuji: 2
espanicboy: it's only 1
kangtuji: it said them
kangtuji: destroy 2 cards ?
espanicboy: only 1
kangtuji: 2
kangtuji: chain anyway
kangtuji: equip to your dragon
espanicboy: mezuki eff
espanicboy: eff
espanicboy has lost 1500 life points
espanicboy has lost 400 life points
espanicboy: plague eff
espanicboy: synchro 6
kangtuji: you know
kangtuji: plagu effect didn't shuffle the deck
kangtuji: continue
kangtuji: -1300
espanicboy: reading
espanicboy has lost 1300 life points
kangtuji: ?
espanicboy: i get it back
kangtuji: http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t7618-mirror-gate
espanicboy: control switches back
kangtuji: nope, both monster aren't on field
kangtuji: control only switched if both are on field
espanicboy: i didnt continue attack
kangtuji: read mirror gate
espanicboy: it switched monsets
espanicboy: monsters
kangtuji: then calculate damage = means you have to attack
espanicboy: i can choose to attack again or not
kangtuji: its even written on the card
espanicboy has left the duel

Spoiler:

Hmmm.... another leaver after I give explaination + link to this thread + wiki links



So many rage involving this card
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Bumping this because I got a Konami email ruling that confirms what Kevin said (that you keep control of the monster permanently if the other one leaves the field before the end phase). There are still many people out there, including some other admins, who didn't know or weren't sure on how official this ruling was, so this pretty much confirms it.

mind posting a screenshot of that.

Text transcript:

From: US YGO Rules (us-ygorules@konami.com)
Sent: Mon 11/21/11 4:57 PM
To: <Name omitted> (t3rcx@hotmail.com)

It does not. If you cannot switch both monsters, nothing happens.


From: <Name omitted> [mailto:t3rcx@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:04 AM
To: us-ygorules@konami.com
Subject: Mirror Gate ruling

If the effect of Mirror Gate activates to switch control of 2 monsters, and then before the End Phase one of those monsters leaves the field, does control of the remaining monster return to its original owner during the End Phase?

Thanks,

<Name omitted>