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Jurrac Aeolo vs Effect Veiler

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Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-02, 19:37

If I summon Jurrac Aeolo (Its Effect) and my opponent tries to respond by discarding effect veiler, Can I use priority and tribute Aeolo to get its effect? Since Aeolo activates in graveyard veiler can't negate the effect right?
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Post  Darkplant 2011-09-02, 19:45

Pretty sure Veiler wouldn't work, as it doesn't work on Lonefire either.
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Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-02, 19:46

This is only in TCG right due to the fact that OCG lost the ignition eff on summon ruling
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Post  Darkplant 2011-09-02, 19:54

wat

Veiler doesn't stop costs, just the effect itself. Therefore, Brionac can discard all you want, Trooper can mill, and though no one would do this, Venus can pay all your Life Points.

Lonefire and Aeolo and all those cards that remove themselves from the field as the cost will be unaffected by Veiler. They pay the cost upon the field and activate in the Graveyard. Just like Veiler can't stop Mystic Tomato or Sangan, it can't stop Lonefire or Aeolo.

Priority doesn't matter.
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Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-02, 20:00

OK thank you
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Post  dest 2011-09-02, 22:20

wrong

effects like lonefire/exiled force or aeolo activate and resolve on the field. It doesn't matter where the monster after paying the cost is.

without that ignition priority your opponent can veiler lonefire//exiled force/aeolo and will negate them.

for further explanation:
http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t2754-ruling-faq-clearing-up-the-most-confusable-rulings#drainveiler
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Post  BlackwingRa 2011-09-02, 22:30

As I remember, there's a new ruling for Veiler, and it says that now Veiler works like Skill Drain. And please do not ask me for links, because this is from my senior players that research on rulings for the game told me.
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Solved Re: Jurrac Aeolo vs Effect Veiler

Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-09-02, 22:39

No Veiler is like an updated version of Skill Drain, it doesn't care where the card is at resolution as long as the card activates and resolves on field.
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Post  Darkplant 2011-09-02, 22:40

dest wrote:wrong

effects like lonefire/exiled force or aeolo activate and resolve on the field. It doesn't matter where the monster after paying the cost is.

without that ignition priority your opponent can veiler lonefire//exiled force/aeolo and will negate them.

for further explanation:
http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/t2754-ruling-faq-clearing-up-the-most-confusable-rulings#drainveiler

...Is this true? Everyone at my locals wasn't using Veiler that way. I think that, as BlackwingRa said, it works like Skill Drain.
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-09-02, 23:28

I explained it in post above yours...it only cares that effect resolves and activates on the field, that and nothing else...
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Post  Key 2011-09-03, 00:46

Veiler does not work like Skill Drain
If at resolution, a monster that is already affected by Veiler is flipped face-down, its effect will not be negated.

But if at resolution, a monster that is already affected by Veiler is no longer on the field, its effect will still be negated.

You're suppose to link here
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Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-03, 23:26

Now I'm confused So does Aeolo work?
And is it different in TCG and OCG?
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Solved Re: Jurrac Aeolo vs Effect Veiler

Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-09-03, 23:43

On the TCG you have priority to use Aeolo's eff before he can play Veiler on Aeolo. On the OCG you don't have that priority to activate an ignition effect in response to a summon.

So, if Aeolo is Veilered (priority aside) then it doesn't work.
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Solved Re: Jurrac Aeolo vs Effect Veiler

Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-03, 23:50

Badass_Bunny wrote:If he is Veilered(Priority aside) than it doesn't work.

You have priority to use Aeolo eff before he can play Veiler on Aeolo

So just to make things clear for myself
In TCG I can summon Aeolo and use priority to use it's effect before he gets veilered
While in OCG ruling I can't use it's effect due to the new ruling that prevents me from using ignition effects with priority on summon
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Post  Badass_Bunny 2011-09-03, 23:55

Exactly.
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Solved Re: Jurrac Aeolo vs Effect Veiler

Post  RandomKaos 2011-09-03, 23:55

Ok thank you
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