"Banishment, thy Name is Ruin" - BaniShark Guide

YESSS!! This is the Fortune's Favor we needed, eh Johnny?

It functions just fine to give us the much-needed hand advantage.

Airorca drains resources in the hand often, so it's necessary to keep a good card count in hand, so you have to keep yourself careful with Airorca. Now you can wreck stuff and meanwhile gain back the bullets Airorca used, all the while controlling the board.

This just made things interesting.

I think I jizzed a little. It does WHAT now? Bouse.

Yeah, it's really good.

Plus it gets Spiked Sunfish or Killer Frilled back into the Grave

Now there's just too much to do with this deck, lulz.

Oh, and the Art for it is just... just... funny. xD

I really like the art on the card. Very nice.

Do we have Draw power?

Draw Power would be thrown into the category of Moray of Greed, Xyz Gift(if you can Xyz-spam as much as the Coela build), and Monster Slot.

Other than that, we'll just see what Shark has, or what Konami has next.

Darn I was hoping you wouldn't say that. I wish F&S would have a Trade-In like effect just for the BaniShark archetype.

Personally, Pot of Avarice works thanks to Nimble Sunfish. XD

Hey Johnny, I'm not sure if you realize, but Konami (as usual) siphoned off a bit of Killer Frilled's awesomeness; his effect now only drains 500 ATK, not 700

Alighty, I need some input on the use of Red Nova Dragon.

I've been thinking about a new beater, and he fits the gist of what to do.

Not only can he block attacks, but he's also a spear that breaks past the stupidity like Mirror Force and Torrential Tribute.

Diva can easily summon him, since we're just good at getting Level 8 Synchro Monsters on the field without a problem thanks to Snowman doing a favor and setting up, same with Airorca setting up not just a Rank 3, but also a Level 8 Synchro Summon.

Thanks to this thought, Red Dragon Archfiend can be ran just fine since Airorca doesn't have to attack all the time, allowing him to control the field while Archfiend takes care of the Defenses.

Diva -> Diva -> Diva + Archfiend + Diva = Red Nova, with already 4500 ATK.

It's crazy, but the idea is crazy enough to possibly work. I just need input on how viable it is though.

Hmmm...it seems plausible, but I'm not sure how often Red Nova would come out, even with Diva -> Diva, because Snowman is a rather situational Set at 1-2.

Of course, even as I say that, I'm envisioning 2 Level 3 F/A/S-S on the field + a Diva = RDA, then playing Salvage for a Diva and another F/A/S-S, after which Diva is Normaled -> Diva = RND...

It's for Option's sake, really.

Most Xyz/Synchro Monsters are options that are, whether or not, viable enough/crazy enough to work.

Heck, it's not necessary to make Level 8's that often, but it happens anyway. =o

It's 2 Extra Deck spaces out of 15, especially since we don't use Synchro Monsters that often, barring the Coela/WATER-Synchro Variants.

I finally decided to join the forums, fffff

Anyway, yeah. I've been trying to make this deck work for a while with TCG-legal cards ((don't wanna jump on the PSHW stuff yet, since I wanna make this deck work with what we have right now; although I'm not sure if that's possible...)) However I've just been having a lot of trouble the past few months. The main thing I can't seem to accomplish is getting Wingtortoise into the grave, and generating Hand Advantage. I find myself losing hand advantage VERY quickly and easily. I can set up a decent field, but if something wrecks that setup in the face; I'm screwed. I even put a help video on my group Yugitube channel to see if anyone there could help, but I'd figure I'd go to people who are actually building this deck, not random subscribers who 99% of the time don't understand a thing.

I also seem to be having the problem of having too many fishies in the grave, and not in the RFP zone where they belong. But this isn't THAT major...

Someone reccomended Morphing Jar + D.Fissure but... D.Fissure just... doesn't work for this deck. I don't wanna banish EVERYTHING. That could become extremely annoying and hard to work with; especially since our main engine; Wingtortoise, would be Banished because of it.

Also, I'm finding Big Jaws to be a better card than Flyfang in every way shape and form. I wanna take my Flyfangs out for maybe 1 or 2 more. The card feeds Fish and Kicks, Oh F!sh!, and Egg Clutch like it's nothing. Fly Fang just... well, sucks. :/

I managed to get everything for the deck and side deck during the sneak, including a ton of Xyz ((2 Leviair, Revise Dragon, Aero Shark, and a bunch of other Xyz for other decks)) however now I'm finding myself needing Big Jaws's ((I was only planning on using 1 in the Side. Now I find myself wanting to main them)).

Here's my current decklist.

3 Wingtortoise
3 Airorca
3 Skystarray
1 Big Jaws ((need MOAR))
2 Flyfang ((Will probably drop for 2nd Big Jaws and 2nd Snowman))
1 Lost Blue Breaker
1 Snowman Eater
3 Deep Sea Diva
1 Gagaga Magician ((The deck can Xyz into Rank 5's pretty easily, this speeds it up. Plus he's just awesome.))
2 Spirit Reaper ((Lovely protection, annoys opponents, and stalls while I try to draw more. Also it's level 3.))


2 Surface
1 Fish and Kicks
1 Fish and Swaps ((Great card, but hard for me to run at more than 1. It's kinda hard to pull off since... well, I have no hand 90% of the time to discard. And even so, it's still a +0))
1 Foolish Burial
1 Monster Reborn
1 Dark Hole
2 MST
1 Giant Trunade

3 Oh F!sh!
2 Underworld Egg Clutch ((I find this really easy to pull off, actually. And i'unno if it's just me; but the effect for this card is a lot different than the one you have up, Johnny. It doesn't say "exactly 1" anymore, I wonder if they changed it. O: ))
1 Torrential
1 Mirror Force
1 Solemn
2 Bottomless


Side: ((Which has now become just an extension of the deck e.e))
1 Flyfang
1 Snowman Eater
2 Cyber Dragon
1 Surface
1 Fish and Swaps
1 Salvage
2 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Royal Oppression ((Might main deck this, since our fishies don't special summon themselves back to the field, just return to the field.))
2 Dust Tornado
1 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Extra Deck:
1 Submersible Carrier Aero Shark
2 Number 17: Revise Dragon ((I like this name better >_>))
2 Leviair the Sea Dragon
1 Adreus, Keeper of Armageddon
1 Gachi Gachi Gantetsu
1 AoJ Catastor
1 Magical Android
1 Tech Genus Hyper Librarian
2 Sea Dragon Lord Gishilnodon
2 Stardust Dragon ((Going down to 1 when Black Ray Lancer comes out. Wanna try and fit No. 20: Gig-Anto Brilli-Ant in here too.))
1 Scrap Dragon

I DO have a 2nd Aero Shark that I can use as filler until I get some more of the Xyz I need like my 2nd Revise Dragon and Adreus. Also I feel like Revise Dragon is actually one of the best Xyz we can grab, because after Xyz summoning him, you can IMMEDIATELY use his effect and go to 2500 ATK; instantly putting Wingtortoise back into the grave, where he belongs. I'd honestly run 3 if I had the room.

Anyway, if you guys could help; that'd be great. Remember; my main problems are dumping Mr. Turtle into the grave, and retaining Hand Advantage. And to an EXTENT, keeping my other Fishies in the Banished zone, without hurting Mr. Turtle.

almost a same problem with envoy, too much monsters in the graveyard D:

and envoy, I think 3 tortoise is enough o.O
use Monster Slot for hand advantage

I do 3 Wingtortoise because at 2; I'd just never see in in a duel. It was really annoying. At least I could get it out of my hand while it was at 3.

Monster Slot is good, but at the same time it's still a +0 for my hand. Plus again; I'm trying to make a TCG legal deck as we speak, and Monster Slot ain't out until Photon Shockwave. I like how it feeds the Banish zone, though.

Do WINDs have any sort of draw card? They need to make a draw card or some kind of Rank 3 Xyz that lets us draw. Right now my only card that lets me draw is Hyper Librarian, which I use for control anyway.

EnvoyofInfinity wrote:I do 3 Wingtortoise because at 2; I'd just never see in in a duel. It was really annoying. At least I could get it out of my hand while it was at 3.

Monster Slot is good, but at the same time it's still a +0 for my hand. Plus again; I'm trying to make a TCG legal deck as we speak, and Monster Slot ain't out until Photon Shockwave. I like how it feeds the Banish zone, though.

Do WINDs have any sort of draw card? They need to make a draw card or some kind of Rank 3 Xyz that lets us draw. Right now my only card that lets me draw is Hyper Librarian, which I use for control anyway.

You are going to have trouble with the Trading Card Game legal deck...
Anyway, yeah, once Photon Shockwave comes out, you get Killer Frilled Shark and Shark Sucker, which open up more doors than you would think. With them, you can use a Nimble Sunfish Engine, which opens up Pot Of Avarice for draw power and Salvage for hand control.

Potus-Mat wrote:

EnvoyofInfinity wrote:I do 3 Wingtortoise because at 2; I'd just never see in in a duel. It was really annoying. At least I could get it out of my hand while it was at 3.

Monster Slot is good, but at the same time it's still a +0 for my hand. Plus again; I'm trying to make a TCG legal deck as we speak, and Monster Slot ain't out until Photon Shockwave. I like how it feeds the Banish zone, though.

Do WINDs have any sort of draw card? They need to make a draw card or some kind of Rank 3 Xyz that lets us draw. Right now my only card that lets me draw is Hyper Librarian, which I use for control anyway.

You are going to have trouble with the Trading Card Game legal deck...
Anyway, yeah, once Photon Shockwave comes out, you get Killer Frilled Shark and Shark Sucker, which open up more doors than you would think. With them, you can use a Nimble Sunfish Engine, which opens up Pot Of Avarice for draw power and Salvage for hand control.

I figured as much, but I still wanna see what I can come up with. Maybe I'll shift more towards a control varient, or maybe just hold off until Photon in general.

As for the Nimble Sunfish/Genex Undine engine; it seems cool, but is it fast? Also, will the deck still be Banisharks, or just a weird Water Xyz deck? I wanna be able to still make the most out of my Wingtortoises, Airorcas, etc etc. And seeing all of those grave-oriented cards, it makes me question if that's sticking to the true theme of the deck; Banishment.

Okay, you're having trouble ditching him from the deck?

You'd need to use Flying Kamakiri or something, if you want to get Tortoises out of the deck and start trolling, but I feel like his inclusion severs the deck a little more.

The way to butcher him out of the hand would be using the WATER-Attribute support, and including Treeborn Frog(optional) with Fishborg Blaster.

At least Blaster can tune with Oyster Meister's token [requiring Oyster to Overlay with another BaniShark, only to get used as an Overlay Unit for his token effect, but Meister isn't half bad. 1600 ATK on a Level 3] to make Formula, and thus replace the ditched Tortoise.

I dunno, I've never had this problem spring up only because I try not being too reliant on him. It's nice to have him, and other times, I wish he was someone else, lol.

But if you have a problem also maintaining Hand Advantage, I will simply suggest Pot of Avarice, or using Duality. OR... if you're really daring... using Fragment of Greed. >__>

Oh, yes, Johnny, I was wondering: would it be usable to run Zeus Breath and Magical Cylinder, along with Sky Oni-Eating Ray Fly-Fang, Aeroshark, and Grenosaurus to run a Chip Banishark?

In my current build, I haven't touched Poseidon at any more than 1. o.o;

I've been spamming Killer Frilled, along with Salvage making a 1-card Xyz Summon.

Johnny Raptor wrote:Okay, you're having trouble ditching him from the deck?

You'd need to use Flying Kamakiri or something, if you want to get Tortoises out of the deck and start trolling, but I feel like his inclusion severs the deck a little more.

The way to butcher him out of the hand would be using the WATER-Attribute support, and including Treeborn Frog(optional) with Fishborg Blaster.

At least Blaster can tune with Oyster Meister's token [requiring Oyster to Overlay with another BaniShark, only to get used as an Overlay Unit for his token effect, but Meister isn't half bad. 1600 ATK on a Level 3] to make Formula, and thus replace the ditched Tortoise.

I dunno, I've never had this problem spring up only because I try not being too reliant on him. It's nice to have him, and other times, I wish he was someone else, lol.

But if you have a problem also maintaining Hand Advantage, I will simply suggest Pot of Avarice, or using Duality. OR... if you're really daring... using Fragment of Greed. >__>

Avarice is probably the most viable one. I was testing Dualities for a LONG time, but it was always getting in the way of my Xyz plays. I can set up really good fields, but my hand winds up lacking.

I'm gonna have to try and stay more control-oriented until Photon Shockwave I guess. I'm gonna try and tech a Morphing Jar as well. - the Eaters for Morphing Jar and either Mind Control or Book.

hi there. I was curious about the deck, but your guide showed alot of possibilites. Thanks!

I'unno what I did; but lately the deck's been working EXTREMELY well. Either I've gotten more used to how the deck plays, or I just stopped worrying about my hand. Either way, my deck's been delivering MORE than amazing results. I've been trolling Six Sams, Dark Worlds, Agents, and the like on Dueling Network. I've never seen Shi En fail so hard.

Another thing I've noticed is that No. 17: Revise Dragon is an ideal monster to Xyz for, especially early or mid game. An instant 2500 beatstick that ensures Mr. Turtle returns to the grave. Leviair is better mid/late game.

I've been able to get Fish and Kicks to be live as early as the 2nd turn. I've also decided to side Fish and Swaps, as opposed to maining it.

So; here's my TCG Legal decklist as of now:
[MAIN DECK]
Monsters (19):
3 Wingtortoise
3 Airorca
3 Skystarray
2 Big Jaws
1 Lost Blue Breaker
2 Snowman Eater
3 Deep Sea Diva
2 Spirit Reaper

Spells (11):
2 Surface
1 Fish and Kicks
1 Mind Control
1 Swords of Revealing Light ((Random tech I decided to try out, and it works hilariously well. It just compliments the sheer trolling this deck performs.))
1 Foolish Burial
1 Monster Reborn
1 Dark Hole
2 MST
1 Giant Trunade

Traps (10):
3 Oh F!sh!
2 Underworld Egg Clutch
1 Torrential
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Mirror Force
2 Bottomless

Extra Deck:
1 Submersible Carrier Aero Shark
2 No. 17: Revise Dragon
2 Leviair the Sea Dragon
1 Adreus, Keeper of Armageddon
1 Gachi Gachi Gantetsu
1 Tech Genus Hyper Librarian ((Great early game))
2 Sea Dragon Lord Gishilnodon
1 AoJ Catastor
1 Magical Android
2 Stardust Dragon
1 Scrap Dragon

Side Deck:
1 Gagaga Magician
2 Cyber Dragon
1 Surface
2 Fish and Swaps
1 Book of Moon
2 Nobleman of Crossout
1 Royal Oppression
2 Dust Tornado
2 Crevice into the Different Dimension

Gachi Gachi Gantetsu and the 2nd Stardust are gonna be removed for Black Ray Lancer and No. 20: Gig-Anto Brilli-Ant when they're released.

Only thing I fail to mention, and this has been brought up on Pojo, is an accurate critique on cards. Apparently Big Jaws and Fly-Fang are mediocre. :/

Johnny Raptor wrote:Only thing I fail to mention, and this has been brought up on Pojo, is an accurate critique on cards. Apparently Big Jaws and Fly-Fang are mediocre. :/

They are. Especially Fly-Fang. He sees no use outside of being used for Xyz of Sync. Big Jaw is like Scrap Shark. it just blows itself up for no reason (or in this case Banish itself.) But they are useful in the theme nonetheless. Pieced a Token with Fang once though. Twas hilarious.

Although now I despise how the Tour Guide Engine blatantly screams "Hey, look, you idiots can make your Leviair live in 2 seconds!". I hate Konami sometimes. =_=;

I'm really starting to hate Tour Guide. Like, it was fine when it first came out, but with the new ruling and all of the abuse it's getting with Plants, I'm just fed up with it. Not to mention it's stupid expensive thanks to the Tewart Rare system...

In all seriousness, though, Photon Shockwave is going to make the deck a lot better, so don't despair, guys. I still think the Coelacanth build is the best one, and even then, it needs PSHW cards to work, so...

If you wanted to know, here's the DL:

3 Big Jaws
3 Shark Sucker
3 Killer Frilled Shark
3 Spiked Sunfish
3 Flyfang
2 Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
2 Snowman Eater
1 Oyster Meister
1 Fishborg Blaster

2 Surface
2 Moray of Greed
2 MST
2 Big Wave Small Wave
1 Giant Trunade
1 Monster Reborn
1 Foolish Burial
1 Dark Hole

2 Fish Depth Charge
2 Dimensional Prison
2 Bottomless Trap Hole
2 Oh F!sh
1 Zero Force
1 Mirror Force

Extra:
2 Number 17: Leviathan Dragon
2 Submersible Carrier Aero Shark
2 Black Ray Lancer
2 Leviair the Sea Dragon
1 Formula Synchron
1 Armory Arm
1 Brionac
1 Black Rose Dragon
1 Scrap Dragon
1 Stardust Dragon
1 Shooting Star Dragon

Johnny Raptor wrote:Only thing I fail to mention, and this has been brought up on Pojo, is an accurate critique on cards. Apparently Big Jaws and Fly-Fang are mediocre. :/

I honestly disagree when it comes to Big Jaws. Fly-Fang is beyond useless IMO; but Big Jaws has actually helped me achieve a mariad of plays. He's an 1800 beater that sets off the obvious Egg Clutch and Wingtortoise. But what I like about him is that he STAYS Banished. Because of him I've been able to play Fish and Kicks as if it were an MST right after an Airorca play, not to mention he's one of my favourite things to bring back with Leviair. I'unno, it might be personal preference; but I just love the card.


Has anyone here tried maining Mind Control? I managed to grab some kid's Shi En with it and overlay it with a Gishilnodon for Adreus; I used Adreus's effect once and left Shi En as the Xyz Material for the rest of the duel.

Also, I'm a tiny bit confused about KDE's mindfuckery about the TCG Xyz mechanics. Does this mean monsters used as Overlay units still have their effects applied? Like say Shi En was underneath Adreus; would I get a negation each turn or not? Or if Thunderking Rai-Oh is an Xyz Material; does his effect to prevent cards added to the hand from the deck, asside from drawing still apply? If so, I feel like this just upped this deck's potential incredibly. What if Airorca could use his effect while he was still an Xyz Material?

They're still on the field, but not treated as monsters. It's one of those (many, many) inconsistencies that Tewart doesn't really seem to notice when he's making rulings out of the air for no reason.

Not to mention you could had another Tour guide to you hand and do it all over again!

Although I'll be happy if Sangan gets a slap to 0.

Aside from Ban List discussions, I've been turning Diva into a Rank 2 lately due to some crappy hands on DN.

Gachi Gachi-stall is a go!

Johnny Raptor wrote:Although I'll be happy if Sangan gets a slap to 0.

Aside from Ban List discussions, I've been turning Diva into a Rank 2 lately due to some crappy hands on DN.

Gachi Gachi-stall is a go!

Whoa whoa whoa lets not say anything to crazy. Sangan needs to stay where he at. I'll cry if the banned this little guy.He's dodge unlucky #0 for so long.

On a related side not ef that card man. Herp derp derp you can't kill me herp derp.

For anyone who still cares about Sangan, I still say he's gonna get banned, and this is what I said about his getting banned:

He'll join his girlfriend, [ygocard]Witch of the Black Forest[/ygocard]. They'll have tea, and [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] will tell Witch how it was like to be Limited for so long, and then Witch will pimp-slap [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] because she's been banned for so long that she's no longer memorable. She can only be remembered for the mere fact that she searches Monarchs + DaD rather than the fact that she's a Pisces who likes long walks on the beach.

Johnny Raptor wrote:For anyone who still cares about Sangan, I still say he's gonna get banned, and this is what I said about his getting banned:

He'll join his girlfriend, [ygocard]Witch of the Black Forest[/ygocard]. They'll have tea, and [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] will tell Witch how it was like to be Limited for so long, and then Witch will pimp-slap [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] because she's been banned for so long that she's no longer memorable. She can only be remembered for the mere fact that she searches Monarchs + DaD rather than the fact that she's a Pisces who likes long walks on the beach.

Some day, Sanwitch will be summonable...

Potus-Mat wrote:

Johnny Raptor wrote:For anyone who still cares about Sangan, I still say he's gonna get banned, and this is what I said about his getting banned:

He'll join his girlfriend, [ygocard]Witch of the Black Forest[/ygocard]. They'll have tea, and [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] will tell Witch how it was like to be Limited for so long, and then Witch will pimp-slap [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] because she's been banned for so long that she's no longer memorable. She can only be remembered for the mere fact that she searches Monarchs + DaD rather than the fact that she's a Pisces who likes long walks on the beach.

Some day, Sanwitch will be summonable...

King of the Swamp + Sangan.

uMad?

Johnny Raptor wrote:

Potus-Mat wrote:

Johnny Raptor wrote:For anyone who still cares about Sangan, I still say he's gonna get banned, and this is what I said about his getting banned:

He'll join his girlfriend, [ygocard]Witch of the Black Forest[/ygocard]. They'll have tea, and [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] will tell Witch how it was like to be Limited for so long, and then Witch will pimp-slap [ygocard]Sangan[/ygocard] because she's been banned for so long that she's no longer memorable. She can only be remembered for the mere fact that she searches Monarchs + DaD rather than the fact that she's a Pisces who likes long walks on the beach.

Some day, Sanwitch will be summonable...

King of the Swamp + Sangan.

uMad?

You know what I mean...
Anyway, Shark cards...

Shark Sucker is too cool. Makes so many Xyz-plays so goddamn consistent that it's sickening. <3

Johnny Raptor wrote:Shark Sucker is too cool. Makes so many Xyz-plays so goddamn consistent that it's sickening. <3

Really? I heard that that card sucks.

I see what you did there.

Johnny Raptor, if Sangan gets banned. We are going to fight. Just throwing that out there.

I also see what you did there.

I want more draw power.

EnvoyofInfinity wrote:

Johnny Raptor wrote:Only thing I fail to mention, and this has been brought up on Pojo, is an accurate critique on cards. Apparently Big Jaws and Fly-Fang are mediocre. :/

I honestly disagree when it comes to Big Jaws. Fly-Fang is beyond useless IMO; but Big Jaws has actually helped me achieve a mariad of plays. He's an 1800 beater that sets off the obvious Egg Clutch and Wingtortoise. But what I like about him is that he STAYS Banished. Because of him I've been able to play Fish and Kicks as if it were an MST right after an Airorca play, not to mention he's one of my favourite things to bring back with Leviair. I'unno, it might be personal preference; but I just love the card.


Has anyone here tried maining Mind Control? I managed to grab some kid's Shi En with it and overlay it with a Gishilnodon for Adreus; I used Adreus's effect once and left Shi En as the Xyz Material for the rest of the duel.

Also, I'm a tiny bit confused about KDE's mindfuckery about the TCG Xyz mechanics. Does this mean monsters used as Overlay units still have their effects applied? Like say Shi En was underneath Adreus; would I get a negation each turn or not? Or if Thunderking Rai-Oh is an Xyz Material; does his effect to prevent cards added to the hand from the deck, asside from drawing still apply? If so, I feel like this just upped this deck's potential incredibly. What if Airorca could use his effect while he was still an Xyz Material?

Not quite.

In TCG, the overlayed monsters are treated as being on the field when they hit the Graveyard, so Sangan, Tengu, etc. get their effects upon leaving the field.

In OCG, overlayed monsters AREN'T treated as being on the field when they hit the Graveyard, so they don't get their effects.

Johnny, can you be a sweetie and spoiler sections of your guide? Scrolling up to the "new posts button" is becoming a hassle.

Roxzen wrote:Johnny, can you be a sweetie and spoiler sections of your guide? Scrolling up to the "new posts button" is becoming a hassle.

"Sweetie"?

Potus-Mat wrote:

Roxzen wrote:Johnny, can you be a sweetie and spoiler sections of your guide? Scrolling up to the "new posts button" is becoming a hassle.

"Sweetie"?

You heard that right, Mr President.

Roxzen wrote:

Potus-Mat wrote:

Roxzen wrote:Johnny, can you be a sweetie and spoiler sections of your guide? Scrolling up to the "new posts button" is becoming a hassle.

"Sweetie"?

You heard that right, Mr President.

I know this is off topic, but why is it that only non-Americans understand what POTUS stands for?

Because I never bothered pointing it out?

And if this gets any longer, I'm afraid I'll be doing that anyway.

Here you go, Mister Raptor!

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